Iran threatening USA carrier group

[TheHeretic]

Jimbeaux said:

They may have "grown apart" or it is a show for people who believe it (like you). I am certain someone is "moving" against them in a clandestine manner behind whatever (plentiful) opposition group there is.

You k ow what Jim, it doesn't surprise me that you are condescending at time. "like you"... I don't recall being condescending to you, so why you seem to feel the urge to be so in return I do not know.

So, as I said, there has been plenty of conflict between the puppet, and it's master. Deny it all you want, or be patronising, I will treat that with disdain as it comes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#C...

[Jimbeaux]

TheHeretic said:

Jimbeaux said:

They may have "grown apart" or it is a show for people who believe it (like you). I am certain someone is "moving" against them in a clandestine manner behind whatever (plentiful) opposition group there is.

You k ow what Jim, it doesn't surprise me that you are condescending at time. "like you"... I don't recall being condescending to you, so why you seem to feel the urge to be so in return I do not know.

So, as I said, there has been plenty of conflict between the puppet, and it's master. Deny it all you want, or be patronising, I will treat that with disdain as it comes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#C...

H, that is whay that large yellow smilie is directly next to that comment.

[TheHeretic]

Jimbeaux said:

H, that is whay that large yellow smilie is directly next to that comment.

Yeah, you put those quite often. Still condescending.

[Jimbeaux]

TheHeretic said:

Jimbeaux said:

H, that is whay that large yellow smilie is directly next to that comment.

Yeah, you put those quote often. Still condescending.

Andy, you lived in New York, you should be hardened to insulting behavior. Hang in there; you'll be OK. Sorry if I offended you.

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Hang in there; you'll be OK.

Is it automatic ?

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Hang in there; you'll be OK.

Is it automatic ?

[TheHeretic]

Jimbeaux said:

Andy, you lived in New York, you should be hardened to insulting behavior. Hang in there; you'll be OK. Sorry if I offended you.

Upstate NY, in a town with 7000 people. Hardly the Bronx! Anyway, I've worked at sea for many years, in some very stty and dangerous places. I have no issue with insults. What I can't abide is people being condescending. Condescending is a special area of annoyance.

[Apache]

TheHeretic said:

Jimbeaux said:

You are aware that the Bearded ones choose who can be a candidate, are you not? That was a gripe in the last "election", that the candidates were all approved to run.

Yup... I know that. That does not mean that you cannot have moderate, or conservative runners.

Sorry H, had to help daughter buy a car. I may have it wrong but I was led to believe that ultimate control was held by the bearded ones as Jim would put it. DJ, or whoever, was chosen to be selected by the punters. DJ, as you say, is a moderate and I felt this was a deliberate attempt to cool the simmering disquiet of a young population rebelling against the old guard

[Jimbeaux]

TheHeretic said:

Jimbeaux said:

Andy, you lived in New York, you should be hardened to insulting behavior. Hang in there; you'll be OK. Sorry if I offended you.

Upstate NY, in a town with 7000 people. Hardly the Bronx! Anyway, I've worked at sea for many years, in some very stty and dangerous places. I have no issue with insults. What I can't abide is people being condescending. Condescending is a special area of annoyance.

That is special.

[Jimbeaux]

Apache said:

TheHeretic said:

Jimbeaux said:

You are aware that the Bearded ones choose who can be a candidate, are you not? That was a gripe in the last "election", that the candidates were all approved to run.

Yup... I know that. That does not mean that you cannot have moderate, or conservative runners.

Sorry H, had to help daughter buy a car. I may have it wrong but I was led to believe that ultimate control was held by the bearded ones as Jim would put it. DJ, or whoever, was chosen to be selected by the punters. DJ, as you say, is a moderate and I felt this was a deliberate attempt to cool the simmering disquiet of a young population rebelling against the old guard

Well articulated.

[TheHeretic]

Apache said:

Sorry H, had to help daughter buy a car. I may have it wrong but I was led to believe that ultimate control was held by the bearded ones as Jim would put it. DJ, or whoever, was chosen to be selected by the punters. DJ, as you say, is a moderate and I felt this was a deliberate attempt to cool the simmering disquiet of a young population rebelling against the old guard

Yup... The bearded ones do have control. Not sure I said otherwise. What Imdid say was that there has been conflict and disagreement between the Ayatollah and DinnerJ. The clerics recently shut down a newspaper that openly criticised one of DinnerJ's conservative rivals.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/20/us-iran-...

The upper chaps are not happy with DinnerJ as he has very much changed his tunes since he entered politics. He seems to want, according to various articles, etc,max well as the reuters one, a split between religion and politics in Iran, which is why he is out of favour. He is a moderate, no matter how he comes across in the west. His replacement when it comes in 2013 could well mean Irantakes a turn for the worse.

[Apache]

TheHeretic said:

Apache said:

Sorry H, had to help daughter buy a car. I may have it wrong but I was led to believe that ultimate control was held by the bearded ones as Jim would put it. DJ, or whoever, was chosen to be selected by the punters. DJ, as you say, is a moderate and I felt this was a deliberate attempt to cool the simmering disquiet of a young population rebelling against the old guard

Yup... The bearded ones do have control. Not sure I said otherwise. What Imdid say was that there has been conflict and disagreement between the Ayatollah and DinnerJ. The clerics recently shut down a newspaper that openly criticised one of DinnerJ's conservative rivals.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/20/us-iran-...

The upper chaps are not happy with DinnerJ as he has very much changed his tunes since he entered politics. He seems to want, according to various articles, etc,max well as the reuters one, a split between religion and politics in Iran, which is why he is out of favour. He is a moderate, no matter how he comes across in the west. His replacement when it comes in 2013 could well mean Irantakes a turn for the worse.

Ah, ok, so things have become a little less clear then. I wonder if DJs 'moderate' approach is his way of gaining popularity. I need to understand this a bit more I think

[Apache]

UN has 'major concerns' about nuclear Iran

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/02/20122...

[TheHeretic]

Apache said:

UN has 'major concerns' about nuclear Iran

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/02/20122...

Well, they have upped enrichment, which sounds very scary, but there is still nothing to suggest it is anything but for nuclear fuel. It seems Putin agrees.

[Apache]

It's not Putin we should be concerned about though

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/iran-339166-isr...

even though..

"while Iran is developing the capability to build nuclear weapons, it hasn't yet decided to do so. The two countries also agree that it will take time to develop a weapon if a decision is made.
"The consensus is, if they decided to do it, it would probably take them about a year to be able to produce a bomb," Panetta said on CBS's "60 Minutes" last week. It would take another one to two years to put a weapon on a delivery vehicle."

[Lost soul]

Apache said:

I wonder if DJs 'moderate' approach is his way of gaining popularity.

[TheHeretic]

Apache said:

It's not Putin we should be concerned about though

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/iran-339166-isr...

even though..

"while Iran is developing the capability to build nuclear weapons, it hasn't yet decided to do so. The two countries also agree that it will take time to develop a weapon if a decision is made.
"The consensus is, if they decided to do it, it would probably take them about a year to be able to produce a bomb," Panetta said on CBS's "60 Minutes" last week. It would take another one to two years to put a weapon on a delivery vehicle."

Are you suggesting that even looking into getting. Bomb, but deciding not to, is grounds for a pre-emptied attack? I do find it a little funny that IrN is seen as the threat, and yet no-one bats an eyelid at Israel potentially attacking Iran, in May, according to Pantaloons. I would imagine any country who is in Iran's position would be looking at the ins and outs of obtIning a bomb. I don't see this as any particular oddity. The fact that the US defence secretary person says they are not, at the moment, is more important. It is a case of one side of the region having them, (and not signing up to the NPT I might add, unlike Iran, or allowing IEAE inspection at all, unlike Iran), and the other side seemingly being threatened because it too is after the deterrent.

[ralphrj]

TheHeretic said:

Well, they have upped enrichment, which sounds very scary, but there is still nothing to suggest it is anything but for nuclear fuel. It seems Putin agrees.

Uranium only needs to be enriched to 3-5% for generating power. Iran has plenty of this. However, it is not sufficiently enriched for a bomb.

They are now enriching Uranium to 20% (and beyond) which they have no need for - unless they are trying to make a bomb.

[Lost soul]

TheHeretic said:

Are you suggesting that even looking into getting. Bomb, but deciding not to, is grounds for a pre-emptied attack? I do find it a little funny that IrN is seen as the threat, and yet no-one bats an eyelid at Israel potentially attacking Iran, in May, according to Pantaloons.

Israel would never have attacked Iran before Iran started down the nuclear weapon route , now they are a target

[TheHeretic]

ralphrj said:

Uranium only needs to be enriched to 3-5% for generating power. Iran has plenty of this. However, it is not sufficiently enriched for a bomb.

They are now enriching Uranium to 20% (and beyond) which they have no need for - unless they are trying to make a bomb.

According to the stuff I read, the 20 % stuff is to produce medical isotopes, at least that is according to the NY times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast...