Iran threatening USA carrier group

[Wills2]

That's the really worrying thing, nothing like a good war to divert attention and get things going.

[Halb]

It's how the world has worked for millennia.

[Mermaid]

U.S. to remove Iranian group from terrorist list

The State Department is preparing to remove the Iranian opposition group Mujahedin-e Khalq from the U.S. government's terrorist list, siding with advocates who say the controversial organization should be rewarded for renouncing violence and providing intelligence on Iran's nuclear program, senior Obama administration officials said Friday.

The decision to begin the process of formally lifting the terrorist label is expected to be conveyed to Congress in documents as early as Friday, according to two senior officials briefed on the matter. The move comes two weeks before a court-ordered deadline, and just six days after the dissident group vacated its former enclave in eastern Iraq, averting a feared confrontation with Iraqis who want the exiles out of the country.

[Marf]

Preparations to start funding some internal actors?

[MX7]

TheHeretic said:

MX7 said:

You do believe some fking nonsense.

Care to point out the nonsense, rather than just make a disparaging comment?

Sorry, haven't had time to reply.

Firstly, I wish that I could say that I'm surprised that you ask. But I'm not.

"then imagine that the UK had, by force, and against international law and in the face of almost-unanimous international censure, annexed Ireland, had forced Irishmen to live in tightly-controlled ghettos, had removed many human rights from Irishmen, had started to try to forcibly settle UK citizens in the heart of Eire"

Against international law?

- Israel was created by the UN under Resolution 181. 33 countries approved, and 13 didn't. "almost-unanimous international censure"?

- Israel wasn't a country. It was under mandate. Eire is a sovereign state.

- Israel gave fully citizenship to any Arab who wanted to become an Israeli.

- The British have no positive historical affiliation with Eire. Jews have a direct connection with that area that goes back thousands of years.

He then goes on to question their human rights, yet on their combined average ratings from Freedom House, which is Press Freedom + Human Rights, they score 1.5, which is the same score as Italy, Japan, Monaco, South Korea and Greece.

Given the scenario that was given above, no one would support the creation of a new state, but it's such a load of ill-informed, uneducated st that it doesn't bear any resemblance to the situation in 1947.

I can't be bothered to go on. It's a load of idiotic tosh. If someone tries to make a comparison, and they can't even hit the fking barn door, then the chances are that they are talking out of their backside, and I've got better things to do than try to correct clueless prats on the internet.


To be honest, I'm finding NP&E to be fairly dumb all round. I think I'll stick to the car forums. There are way too many people with way too much time who know fk all about anything.

[Countdown]

For somebody of such intelligence, you appear to have completely misread his post.

He's talking about the annexation of the West Bank, not the establishment of Israel itself.

[Talksteer]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

thats the funny thing about nuclear weapons- they aren't as fucntionally useful as people think.

If you really want to do damage, you need an airburst missile, but these aren't easy to deliver accurately (and they do need to be surprisingly accurate unless you are lobbing hundreds). Thing with airburst is that they don't leave much radiation around.

Conversely you could go for ground burst, but they only do a relatively small amount of damage (and isay relatively)- they produce a nice mushroom cloud, and a lot of radiactive carp, but its in a relatively small area- 4 mile radius for example.

If the iranians lobbed one a the straits of homeeuz (sp?!?) then they certainly woudlnt' take out enough of the carrier groups to ensure they woudlnl't be destroyed in the following firefight.

The JASON group did a study of using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, they looked at trying to use nuclear weapons to break up the Ho Chi Min trail and came to the conclusion that they would need to use weapons at a rate of dozens per year to effectively block it.

The US on the other hand was concentrated into a dozen large bases with tens of thousands of troops in each, while the NVA and NLF (VC) never concentrated to make themselves vulnerable the US presented an excellent target for atomic weapons.

Military units in the field don't generally present good targets for atomic weapons and since the 1980s precision weapons have meant that conventional weapons are about as effective.

[Art0ir]

Mermaid said:

U.S. to remove Iranian group from terrorist list

The State Department is preparing to remove the Iranian opposition group Mujahedin-e Khalq from the U.S. government's terrorist list, siding with advocates who say the controversial organization should be rewarded for renouncing violence and providing intelligence on Iran's nuclear program, senior Obama administration officials said Friday.

The decision to begin the process of formally lifting the terrorist label is expected to be conveyed to Congress in documents as early as Friday, according to two senior officials briefed on the matter. The move comes two weeks before a court-ordered deadline, and just six days after the dissident group vacated its former enclave in eastern Iraq, averting a feared confrontation with Iraqis who want the exiles out of the country.

I only caught wind of this today. Hardly surprising given their open support for the LIFG and now the FSA and no one's batted an eyelid. Now with the stroke of a pen they can continue funding the MEK to attack civilian installations, bomb Iranian scientists and destabilise the country and not even have to contend with the "funding terrorism" issue.

[TheHeretic]

"One mans terrorist... "

[Art0ir]

TheHeretic said:

"One mans terrorist... "

Indeed, however I fail to see what value the MEK could bring to anyone's lives. They've been described on many occasions as a hardline "cult". Not a word to be thrown about especially given the multitude of extremist organisations. They forbid marriage, ban radio and internet and kill anyone that tries to leave and is caught.

[TheHeretic]

Art0ir said:

Indeed, however I fail to see what value the MEK could bring to anyone's lives. They've been described on many occasions as a hardline "cult". Not a word to be thrown about especially given the multitude of extremist organisations. They forbid marriage, ban radio and internet and kill anyone that tries to leave and is caught.

Usefulness. However a usefulness that could bite someone on the arse one day.

[PeanutHead]

Any chance they are using Ex-daily wail jounalists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-197641...

[Marf]

[Jimbeaux]

I like the comparison a Jewish statesman pointed out today. He noted how 70 years ago people dismissed the rantings of a madman as mere talk and we know what happened there. They have a right to be afraid. Thankfully, Israel is far smarter, advanced, and well equipped enough to keep the nutters at bay; I just hope it does not come to that.
I wonder, when Obama was all in for downing Daffy, where was he when the Iranians tried their Arab (Persian) Spring and got beat down by the bearded club?

[Art0ir]

Jimbeaux said:

I like the comparison a Jewish statesman pointed out today. He noted how 70 years ago people dismissed the rantings of a madman as mere talk and we know what happened there. They have a right to be afraid. Thankfully, Israel is far smarter, advanced, and well equipped enough to keep the nutters at bay; I just hope it does not come to that.
I wonder, when Obama was all in for downing Daffy, where was he when the Iranians tried their Arab (Persian) Spring and got beat down by the bearded club?

Feel free to add to this thread Jimbeaux if you wish

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Jimbeaux]

Art0ir said:

Jimbeaux said:

I like the comparison a Jewish statesman pointed out today. He noted how 70 years ago people dismissed the rantings of a madman as mere talk and we know what happened there. They have a right to be afraid. Thankfully, Israel is far smarter, advanced, and well equipped enough to keep the nutters at bay; I just hope it does not come to that.
I wonder, when Obama was all in for downing Daffy, where was he when the Iranians tried their Arab (Persian) Spring and got beat down by the bearded club?

Feel free to add to this thread Jimbeaux if you wish

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Thank you Sir