Lawrence two guilty

[OdramaSwimLaden]

If the two convicted guys decide to give evidence on the 3 remaining suspects, to implicate them or directly acuse them of murder, can this be taken into account and they get lower sentences? Would this be good or bad news in the eyes of the public?

Personally i'd rather see everyone involved inside and the two (or one) of the guys convicted inside now get some time off. I think, due to the nature of the case, the sentences they get will be, rightly so, on the harsh side

[The jiffle king]

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

And I believe a female witness who the police know

[AV12]

From someone who knew him well, grew up in that area, faced the racial tension, marched on the BNP bookshop this is a day I thought I would never see. RIP Stephen.

Minor victory...but a victory all the same.

[AV12]

essexplumber said:

One thing about the reporting that always bothers me is that it is always refered to as a racist murder. If we have only just convicted two white men of his murder how can it have always been known as such?

Also why is it when a white person kills a person of an ethnic background it will always be seen as racially motivated?

Ben Kinsella, Jimmy Mizen were white boys murdered by black youths yet a racial motive was never concidered.

Furthermore how do we know Stephens skin colour was the catalyst for him being killed?

Honestly, what the fk are you on about. I know the person that was with him. Don't be clever - that's what happened and we all who grew up there knew what some parts of Eltham were like at that time. The Acourt boys were known racists.

Sorry if that appears aggressive, but that factor is never ever in doubt.

[MrCheese]

Gwagon111 said:

Why did the picture of Stephen Lawrence giving what appeared to be a 'black power salute' get photoshopped so that it looked like he had his arms crossed? Both versions of the photo regularly appeared in the media. It was something that always bothered me about this case.

I'm sorry but you are a dick.

[98elise]

Good start to the year, i hope they rot in hell.

[jq3104]

Considering the high profile and endless press over the years about this dreadful crime, I think the relative low interest in this post speaks volumes.

[Laurel Green]

There's a special programme on SL on BBC1 now.

[Derek Smith]

jq3104 said:

Considering the high profile and endless press over the years about this dreadful crime, I think the relative low interest in this post speaks volumes.

There has been roughly a page an hour. Further, the timing was bad. Most people post when at work.

[Randy Winkman]

jq3104 said:

Considering the high profile and endless press over the years about this dreadful crime, I think the relative low interest in this post speaks volumes.

What does it say? Everyone thinks they were guilty, so there's not much to talk about ... something like that? I honestly don't know what you mean.

[tigerkoi]

jq3104 said:

Considering the high profile and endless press over the years about this dreadful crime, I think the relative low interest in this post speaks volumes.

Do not make an assumption/assertion/frankly ignorant comment that relative quantities of people wittering away on some car internet forum in anyway inclines against the utter revulsion that the majority of decent people feel around what those openly racist, cowardly and despicable men did that night.

[essexplumber]

AV12 said:

essexplumber said:

One thing about the reporting that always bothers me is that it is always refered to as a racist murder. If we have only just convicted two white men of his murder how can it have always been known as such?

Also why is it when a white person kills a person of an ethnic background it will always be seen as racially motivated?

Ben Kinsella, Jimmy Mizen were white boys murdered by black youths yet a racial motive was never concidered.

Furthermore how do we know Stephens skin colour was the catalyst for him being killed?

Honestly, what the fk are you on about. I know the person that was with him. Don't be clever - that's what happened and we all who grew up there knew what some parts of Eltham were like at that time. The Acourt boys were known racists.

Sorry if that appears aggressive, but that factor is never ever in doubt.

And I'm supposed to know all that am I?

And as much as I am now aware that Stephens murder was racially motivated it doesn't detract from the fact that racism in the UK is a one way street.

[Rocksteadyeddie]

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

Who is a thoroughly decent chap. His reaction to the verdict tells me he knows exactly who did it, and they've finally been convicted. I hope it stands up on appeal.

[scenario8]

essexplumber said:

And I'm supposed to know all that am I?

And as much as I am now aware that Stephens murder was racially motivated it doesn't detract from the fact that racism in the UK is a one way street.

Presumably you're reflecting that racism isn't in some way "officially" recognised as being a complicated mix of many "sides" being racist towards other "sides"? That's all I can think you're getting at anyway. Be sure that many people, organisations and administrations do accept the issue of racism is not exclusively whites hating blacks. Please don't allow yourself to be misled into thinking that.

Perhaps that discussion is one deserving its own thread.

Quite how anyone can have heard of the Stephen Lawrence murder over all these years and not have previously understood it to have been in some way a racial attack I don't know. The subsequent investigations by the Police were further criticised for their inefffectiveness and a lot of money, time and expertise went into investigating potential institutional racism within the Police. Over the last 18 years this murder has been a landmark in British culture.

[OdramaSwimLaden]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

Who is a thoroughly decent chap. His reaction to the verdict tells me he knows exactly who did it, and they've finally been convicted. I hope it stands up on appeal.

......they'll be riots if it doesn't.

[jq3104]

OdramaSwimLaden said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

Who is a thoroughly decent chap. His reaction to the verdict tells me he knows exactly who did it, and they've finally been convicted. I hope it stands up on appeal.

......they'll be riots if it doesn't.

.....and looting

Edited by jq3104 on Tuesday 3rd January 21:56

[AV12]

essexplumber said:

AV12 said:

essexplumber said:

One thing about the reporting that always bothers me is that it is always refered to as a racist murder. If we have only just convicted two white men of his murder how can it have always been known as such?

Also why is it when a white person kills a person of an ethnic background it will always be seen as racially motivated?

Ben Kinsella, Jimmy Mizen were white boys murdered by black youths yet a racial motive was never concidered.

Furthermore how do we know Stephens skin colour was the catalyst for him being killed?

Honestly, what the fk are you on about. I know the person that was with him. Don't be clever - that's what happened and we all who grew up there knew what some parts of Eltham were like at that time. The Acourt boys were known racists.

Sorry if that appears aggressive, but that factor is never ever in doubt.

And I'm supposed to know all that am I?

And as much as I am now aware that Stephens murder was racially motivated it doesn't detract from the fact that racism in the UK is a one way street.

No it isn't. At all.

[ExChrispy Porker]

Nor is it solely based on colour.

[AV12]

OdramaSwimLaden said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

Who is a thoroughly decent chap. His reaction to the verdict tells me he knows exactly who did it, and they've finally been convicted. I hope it stands up on appeal.

......they'll be riots if it doesn't.

Nowadays maybe. But we protested peacefully - there were a few kick backs, but the way we saw to protest was in a manner which was dignified...it actually united the black and white kids in the area.

The complete mishandling of Stephen's case has transformed the way killings are handled by the Police.

[J a k e]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Le Pop said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

There are only five men alive who know the truth.

The guy who was with Stephen that night (Duwayne Brooks) also knows.

Who is a thoroughly decent chap. His reaction to the verdict tells me he knows exactly who did it, and they've finally been convicted. I hope it stands up on appeal.

Duwayne Brooks was an eyewitness, wasn't he? Why wasn't his evidence enough to have the attackers charged and convicted? Did he even give evidence at the trial?

Also, what is the score with the sometimes mentioned woman witness who apparently the police know the identity of? That all seems a bit odd.