Scottish Referendum / Independence
Discussion
Dixie68 said:
ViperPict said:
And the UK, as such, would cease to be. I think there is little doubt that this would be entirely valid and in line with any other country which has gone down the self-determination route...
Of course the UK would still exist: England, Wales & NI would be the UK.ViperPict said:
Firstly, we won't. I am sure of that. And I currently do not accept it and never will...
Even when your countryfolk vote against it? So it's not the English you hate then, just people who don't agree with you? In which case you should love the English as they'd be delighted for you to go on your merry way.Dixie68 said:
ViperPict said:
Firstly, we won't. I am sure of that. And I currently do not accept it and never will...
Even when your countryfolk vote against it? So it's not the English you hate then, just people who don't agree with you? In which case you should love the English as they'd be delighted for you to go on your merry way.ViperPict said:
It doesn't take long for the chip on the shoulder to appear! This implicit assumption independence is anti-English!! Get over yourself, we have more important issues to think about!
It doesn't indeed take long for the chip on the shoulder to appear - yours is plain to see. Luckily you are in the minority - nobody in the Scottish side of my family wants full independence & during the 11 years I lived in Scotland I met very few who wanted it. The other half of my family is from Eire by the way if you want to call me Unionist again.Night night
My opinion on a few issues;
1) Cameron hasn't 'meddled' in Scottish affairs -- it is a UK-wide issue (even if it is on Scots voting),
2) I believe the English (rightly so) are fed up being threatened by Scots saying 'we'll leave the Union!!!' and would vote Scotland out if asked,
3) Some Scots are very vocal in being pro-separatist, but I believe are the minority,
4) Oil revenue is finite,
5) Oil knowledge (in places like Aberdeen) is all well and good, but I truly believe that you can't retain the jobs on knowledge alone -- workers might end up migrating elsewhere,
6) Scotland has a massive public sector, which under independence would be unsustainable.
7) I truly believe when the referendum happens, it'll be a 'no' (i.e. stay in Union) vote.
1) Cameron hasn't 'meddled' in Scottish affairs -- it is a UK-wide issue (even if it is on Scots voting),
2) I believe the English (rightly so) are fed up being threatened by Scots saying 'we'll leave the Union!!!' and would vote Scotland out if asked,
3) Some Scots are very vocal in being pro-separatist, but I believe are the minority,
4) Oil revenue is finite,
5) Oil knowledge (in places like Aberdeen) is all well and good, but I truly believe that you can't retain the jobs on knowledge alone -- workers might end up migrating elsewhere,
6) Scotland has a massive public sector, which under independence would be unsustainable.
7) I truly believe when the referendum happens, it'll be a 'no' (i.e. stay in Union) vote.
I'll be voting 'no'
VP is the very epitome of why Independence for Scotland is supported in this house. The sooner gone the sooner forgotten. Salmond though is making it harder to ditch the chippy fools, waiting means that they will be able to gain a truer picture of the reality of splitting and that will play to the 'No' vote.
I support putting the vote down to 16, kids are more radical and may just be our saviour as most will vote Yes.
I support putting the vote down to 16, kids are more radical and may just be our saviour as most will vote Yes.
Hearing Scotland compared to Norway just makes me laugh. There are an awful lot of similarities, but the biggest IMO difference is the way we have dealt with our natural resources. Norway has a state oil company and puts huge amounts of o&g revenue away for the people. The UK and Scotland do not. Add this to the fact that Norway has made 2 huge discoveries this year (one by lundin and the other I think by statoil, the state company)
When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
There is a huge o&g knowledge base in aberdeen, but it will go where the work is. Plenty of the guys on the rigs in Norway live in the UK, but don't pay UK tax, they pay Norwegian.
If Scotland breaks away, the UK loses a huge part of its identity, which is a bad thing.
I am dead against independance and will be voting no.
Can we please keep the pathetic, dull and overused "jokes" out of it, makes what could be a very interesting debate into a fat necked, mouth breathing argument.
When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
There is a huge o&g knowledge base in aberdeen, but it will go where the work is. Plenty of the guys on the rigs in Norway live in the UK, but don't pay UK tax, they pay Norwegian.
If Scotland breaks away, the UK loses a huge part of its identity, which is a bad thing.
I am dead against independance and will be voting no.
Can we please keep the pathetic, dull and overused "jokes" out of it, makes what could be a very interesting debate into a fat necked, mouth breathing argument.
Edited by Parsnip on Wednesday 11th January 08:05
As I drove around Edinburgh last night, looking at the obvious wealth, the beautiful Georgian architechture that adorns this great city like no other in the UK I couldn't help thinking the cheeky b
ds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.
ds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.mattnunn said:
As I drove around Edinburgh last night, looking at the obvious wealth, the beautiful Georgian architechture that adorns this great city like no other in the UK I couldn't help thinking the cheeky bds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.
I'll assume since there was no smiley that you were being serious. People, see the fat necked mouth breathers I was talking about, this is a prime specimen.ds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.Mattnunn, for the record, just how low is your tooth to tattoo ratio?
Parsnip said:
Hearing Scotland compared to Norway just makes me laugh. There are an awful lot of similarities, but the biggest IMO difference is the way we have dealt with our natural resources. Norway has a state oil company and puts huge amounts of o&g revenue away for the people. The UK and Scotland do not. Add this to the fact that Norway has made 2 huge discoveries this year (one by lundin and the other I think by statoil, the state company)
When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
There is a huge o&g knowledge base in aberdeen, but it will go where the work is. Plenty of the guys on the rigs in Norway live in the UK, but don't pay UK tax, they pay Norwegian.
If Scotland breaks away, the UK loses a huge part of its identity, which is a bad thing.
I am dead against independance and will be voting no.
Can we please keep the pathetic, dull and overused "jokes" out of it, makes what could be a very interesting debate into a fat necked, mouth breathing argument.
I am a Scot living in Scotland and will be voting no to independence. I believe that we are better off as part of the UK.When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
There is a huge o&g knowledge base in aberdeen, but it will go where the work is. Plenty of the guys on the rigs in Norway live in the UK, but don't pay UK tax, they pay Norwegian.
If Scotland breaks away, the UK loses a huge part of its identity, which is a bad thing.
I am dead against independance and will be voting no.
Can we please keep the pathetic, dull and overused "jokes" out of it, makes what could be a very interesting debate into a fat necked, mouth breathing argument.
Edited by Parsnip on Wednesday 11th January 08:05
I also believe that the rest of the UK should be allowed to vote on this issue and I admit that this will likely result in a yes vote.
mattnunn said:
As I drove around Edinburgh last night, looking at the obvious wealth, the beautiful Georgian architechture that adorns this great city like no other in the UK I couldn't help thinking the cheeky bds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.
Our Empire? Would that be the British Empire that Scots had a huge hand in creating?ds. All this on the back of our once great empire, now times are getting a little rough and they want a divorce. Never mind them leaving chuck this bint to the kerb, throw them out the commonwealth, they're no good, probably been shagging around with the French for years anyway behind our backs. The dirty no good sluts.The Georgian/Victorian architecture in Edinburgh and Glasgow came mainly from Scots wealth during the Scottish Enlightenment and industrial revolution. It's also safe to say that Scottish Engineering and scientific achievements created a great deal of wealth for the Empire. Don't let that stop you having a moronic rant though.
I have always avoided these thread as it inevitably brings out the chips on shoulders both sides of the border, or just trolls, hard to tell at times.
For the record I'll be voting no, we are stronger united.
Being a lifelong expatriate Scot, I'm one of the majority who do not want a separation. All the Scots who I know do not want it...
It's only the died in the wool Labour and other socialist dreamers and trade unionists who want it.
However they've not thought it out as we (the Scots) have no real National Income (own industry, own taxes) to draw on, so it'll be an economic failure with the resultant unrest. Salmond is just trawling for an illusory separatist vote...
The hard truth of the matter is that England south of a line Wash-Severn pays for all the rest of us.......
Mind you if there were to be a Separation, England would be almost without any Labour seats in the english Parliament!!! which IMO can only be a good thing, judging by the mess after 13 years of socialist muck-ups!
It's only the died in the wool Labour and other socialist dreamers and trade unionists who want it.
However they've not thought it out as we (the Scots) have no real National Income (own industry, own taxes) to draw on, so it'll be an economic failure with the resultant unrest. Salmond is just trawling for an illusory separatist vote...
The hard truth of the matter is that England south of a line Wash-Severn pays for all the rest of us.......
Mind you if there were to be a Separation, England would be almost without any Labour seats in the english Parliament!!! which IMO can only be a good thing, judging by the mess after 13 years of socialist muck-ups!
JMGS4 said:
Mind you if there were to be a Separation, England would be almost without any Labour seats in the english Parliament!!! which IMO can only be a good thing, judging by the mess after 13 years of socialist muck-ups!
A small snippet of realityLondon has more labour MPs then Scotland
But why let that get in the way of a good whinge
Parsnip said:
Hearing Scotland compared to Norway just makes me laugh. There are an awful lot of similarities, but the biggest IMO difference is the way we have dealt with our natural resources. Norway has a state oil company and puts huge amounts of o&g revenue away for the people. The UK and Scotland do not. Add this to the fact that Norway has made 2 huge discoveries this year (one by lundin and the other I think by statoil, the state company)
When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
Interesting. This is one of the reasons I'll be voting "Yes". As those of us in the industry know there is actually plenty of oil and gas left in the N Sea to be developed. As you say, there have been two large discoveries in Norway this year but there's also the huge BP development W of Shetland. Who knows what else is out there? When I hear a Scottish person mention oil as a reason for independance, I can't help but think them a massive eejit. If we were independant 100 years ago and when we found oil, we dealt with it in the same way Norway did, then Scotland would be laughing, but we weren't and we didn't so we aren't.
Edited by Parsnip on Wednesday 11th January 08:05
The point about Norways state oil company Statoil is a good one. We had one of course but Thatcher killed it off under pressure from mainly US oil companies. What that did was to remove our national champion. Statoil worked closely with the Norwegian govt, financial services sector and industry to build up their capability and it worked. Here, we took the approach of exploiting the resource but not exploiting the opportunity so now we have a situation where most of the high tech, high value adding absolutely critical parts of the industry are either American or Norwegian. The City wasn't interested in investing in the supply side and the Treasury just took the revenues and ran.
Tyre Smoke said:
V88Dicky said:
Dixie68 said:
And the jobs related to the UK military & support services.
Indeed.Scotland's biggest single-site employer? Faslane/Coulport
Scotland's second biggest? Rosyth Dockyard
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