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Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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ViperPict said:
s2art said:
Edinburger said:
Thatcher. Look at how Scotland was treated under Thatcher. 'Nuff said.

We have more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs.
Its puzzling. The Thatcher government treated Scotland no better or worse than England. And most of that 'treatment' was necessary due to the previous Labour government's screw ups. Just like now.
Although we had the Poll Tax tested out on us a year early. Just for sts and giggles...
QED - you never read anything that doesn't suit you do you? As documented above, that is not true.

There was also never any question of that not being adopted across the whole UK - as indeed it was. Therefore the implication that Scotland was used as a guinea pig to test it out is just wrong.

Of course you knew all that, but it suits your cause to try & paint a conservative government as "Evil baby eating tories".

Pathetic.

Edinburger

2,327 posts

37 months

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Wombat3 said:
Indeed, when people south of the border see things like no tuition fees and no prescription charges (but with no apparent shortfall anywhere else in Gov't spending on Scotland that can be seen i.e. nobody ever says "Yes they get free prescriptions but they don't get XY&Z") they could be easily forgiven for thinking that Scotland has got a much better deal than anyone else within the UK now anyway.
I'm sure you know that's because the university education and prescriptions are funded by the Scottish government. As a Scot, I'm sure I probably lose out on other areas compared to my counterpart over the border.

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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Edinburger said:
I'm sure you know that's because the university education and prescriptions are funded by the Scottish government. As a Scot, I'm sure I probably lose out on other areas compared to my counterpart over the border.
...and the Scottish government gets its money from ??

Perhaps you do lose out somewhere else. Damned if anyone else can see where though.

mybrainhurts

71,610 posts

124 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
s2art said:
Edinburger said:
Thatcher. Look at how Scotland was treated under Thatcher. 'Nuff said.

We have more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs.
Its puzzling. The Thatcher government treated Scotland no better or worse than England. And most of that 'treatment' was necessary due to the previous Labour government's screw ups. Just like now.
Although we had the Poll Tax tested out on us a year early. Just for sts and giggles...
QED - you never read anything that doesn't suit you do you? As documented above, that is not true.

There was also never any question of that not being adopted across the whole UK - as indeed it was. Therefore the implication that Scotland was used as a guinea pig to test it out is just wrong.

Of course you knew all that, but it suits your cause to try & paint a conservative government as "Evil baby eating tories".

Pathetic.
And the Poll Tax Community Charge was a fair way of raising local taxes. Only the feckless who wanted to contribute nothing, but enjoy the benefits, were against it. They continue to sponge off the rest of the Council Tax payers.

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
s2art said:
Edinburger said:
Thatcher. Look at how Scotland was treated under Thatcher. 'Nuff said.

We have more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs.
Its puzzling. The Thatcher government treated Scotland no better or worse than England. And most of that 'treatment' was necessary due to the previous Labour government's screw ups. Just like now.
Although we had the Poll Tax tested out on us a year early. Just for sts and giggles...
QED - you never read anything that doesn't suit you do you? As documented above, that is not true.

There was also never any question of that not being adopted across the whole UK - as indeed it was. Therefore the implication that Scotland was used as a guinea pig to test it out is just wrong.

Of course you knew all that, but it suits your cause to try & paint a conservative government as "Evil baby eating tories".

Pathetic.
What part is not true? It was most certainly applied to Scotland a year early!! Why, oh omniscient one, did this happen? You'll argue blue in the face that the Tories past and present are all sunshine and light. I'm afaid, whether you like it or not, few in Scotland will ever buy that...
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Edinburger

2,327 posts

37 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
Edinburger said:
I'm sure you know that's because the university education and prescriptions are funded by the Scottish government. As a Scot, I'm sure I probably lose out on other areas compared to my counterpart over the border.
...and the Scottish government gets its money from ??

Perhaps you do lose out. Damned if anyone else can see where though.
It's irrelevant where we get the money from - we can spend it as we choose. That's the benefit of a devolved parliament.

Unhappy? Raise it with your MP. Same as the argument about our MPs voting on English issues. Speak up or forever haud yer wheesht, as we say up here.

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
What part is not true? It was most certainly applied to Scotland a year early!! Why, oh omniscient one, did this happen? You'll argue blue in the face that the Tories past and present are all sunshine and light. I'm afaid, whether you like it or not, few in Scotland will ever buy that...
As already explained above its a myth that Scotland was used as some kind of "test bed" for that.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/david_torrance_modern...

Other than this myth - what else have the Tories (or indeed any other UK gov't) ever specifically done to Scotland that has treated it any any way differently or detrimentally to the rest of the UK.

I have never seen anyone come up with anything specific on this.

You are not "hard done by" in comparison to the rest of the UK in any way shape or form (and never have been).

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What part is not true? It was most certainly applied to Scotland a year early!! Why, oh omniscient one, did this happen? You'll argue blue in the face that the Tories past and present are all sunshine and light. I'm afaid, whether you like it or not, few in Scotland will ever buy that...
As already explained above its a myth that Scotland was used as some kind of "test bed" for that.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/david_torrance_modern...

Other than this myth - what else have the Tories (or indeed any other UK gov't) ever specifically done to Scotland that has treated it any any way differently or detrimentally to the rest of the UK.

I have never seen anyone come up with anything specific on this.

You are not "hard done by" in comparison to the rest of the UK in any way shape or form (and never have been).
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked
I think you missed the reference... rolleyes

We were not treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK! Otherwise we'd have had the Poll Tax the following year!

And it's 'you' now, is it?!

thinfourth2

23,546 posts

73 months

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ViperPict said:
...spot the Tory voters! biggrin
Well i ain't a tory fanboy, far from it.

I find them a bit too nice and soft

That asides

Poll tax = So what a different tax system came into scotland a year early i though it was a better system anyway and it was how long ago? So lets ignore it.

Coal mining = Thanks the unions and cheaper coal abroad from shutting that down and that was how long ago? So lets ignore it.


More recently the labour party with winky at the cash register brought in the North sea windfall tax which stopped the north sea exploration for almost 3 years. i remember this as i almost lost my job because of it.

The labour party absolutely covered the highlands in fking windmills, ignored farming and banned fox hunting as they hate the countryside

The labour party banned the use of red diesel in pleasure boats and where is the best are in the whole of the UK for pleasure boats. Oh yeah the west coast of scotland


This week the EVIL tory party dropped the duty by 5 pence a litre for the western and northern isles of scotland

Why would they do this if they hate Scotland?

You won't answer this as it doesn't fit in with your twisted world view.

You sound like some tin foil hat wearing labour loving idiot

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked
I think you missed the reference... rolleyes

We were not treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK! Otherwise we'd have had the Poll Tax the following year!

And it's 'you' now, is it?!
Oh dear. It seems you really have run out of anything relevant to say. You have surpassed your usual "fingers in the ears & "la-la-la-la"" with that one.

...and lets be clear, this happened 23 years ago - its hardly relevant to today & the issue at hand anyway.


ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
...spot the Tory voters! biggrin
Well i ain't a tory fanboy, far from it.

I find them a bit too nice and soft

That asides

Poll tax = So what a different tax system came into scotland a year early i though it was a better system anyway and it was how long ago? So lets ignore it.

Coal mining = Thanks the unions and cheaper coal abroad from shutting that down and that was how long ago? So lets ignore it.


More recently the labour party with winky at the cash register brought in the North sea windfall tax which stopped the north sea exploration for almost 3 years. i remember this as i almost lost my job because of it.

The labour party absolutely covered the highlands in fking windmills, ignored farming and banned fox hunting as they hate the countryside

The labour party banned the use of red diesel in pleasure boats and where is the best are in the whole of the UK for pleasure boats. Oh yeah the west coast of scotland


This week the EVIL tory party dropped the duty by 5 pence a litre for the western and northern isles of scotland

Why would they do this if they hate Scotland?

You won't answer this as it doesn't fit in with your twisted world view.

You sound like some tin foil hat wearing labour loving idiot
I certainly don't love labour!!

Hmmm, I wonder if the fuel duty issue was slightly 'political' rather than good natured?


thinfourth2

23,546 posts

73 months

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ViperPict said:
I certainly don't love labour!!

Hmmm, I wonder if the fuel duty issue was slightly 'political' rather than good natured?
So they dropped fuel duty as an attack on Scotland silly

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked
I think you missed the reference... rolleyes

We were not treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK! Otherwise we'd have had the Poll Tax the following year!

And it's 'you' now, is it?!
Oh dear. It seems you really have run out of anything relevant to say. You have surpassed your usual "fingers in the ears & "la-la-la-la"" with that one.

...and lets be clear, this happened 23 years ago - its hardly relevant to today & the issue at hand anyway.

Your attempts at winning an 'argument' with rhetoric like that are quite laughable.

The point is, justified or not, people up here remember the Poll Tax. People up hear still speak about The Clearances like it was last year so things the Tories are perceived to have done will not be forgotten in a hurry!

And, I ask again, were we retreated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK?




Edited by ViperPict on Sunday 4th March 22:18

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
I certainly don't love labour!!

Hmmm, I wonder if the fuel duty issue was slightly 'political' rather than good natured?
So they dropped fuel duty as an attack on Scotland silly
Do you not think it might be cynical?!

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked
I think you missed the reference... rolleyes

We were not treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK! Otherwise we'd have had the Poll Tax the following year!

And it's 'you' now, is it?!
Oh dear. It seems you really have run out of anything relevant to say. You have surpassed your usual "fingers in the ears & "la-la-la-la"" with that one.

...and lets be clear, this happened 23 years ago - its hardly relevant to today & the issue at hand anyway.

Your attempts at winning an 'argument' with rhetoric like that are quite laughable.

The point is, justified or not, people up here remember the Poll Tax. People up hear still speak about The Clearances like it was last year so things the Tories are perceived to have done will not be forgotten in a hurry!

And, I ask again, were we retreated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK?
OK, you are so crass & petty that I need to reword that - just for you. smile

"You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK in every substantive way (some might argue better) - THAT is the point."

You can not put a cigarette paper between the way the Scots have been treated in relation to anyone else in the UK. You pay the same taxes as the rest of us etc etc etc,

Anyone would think you all got sent to bed early on the weekends FFS ! rolleyes

Clearances? Really? That's relevant today?

The poll tax is relevant today?

What planet are you on? laugh

And who are you spitting bile at about that? Ah yes, "the Auld enemy" rolleyes

powerstroke

1,719 posts

29 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Do you not think it might be cynical?!
Those bloody torys again!!!! oh well if you get your inderpendence you will never have to worry about them doing nasty things like lowering fuel duty ever againthumbup

Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 4th March 22:34

ViperPict

8,424 posts

106 months

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Sunday 4th March 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
What have the Tories ever done for us? Sounds like a comedy sketch...

But an article in the Scotsman (of all periodicals!) hardly proves your point my friend...
You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK (some might argue better) - THAT is the point.

As to what the Tories have ever done - in case you hadn't noticed, they are currently clearing up yet another Labour Government's mess irked
I think you missed the reference... rolleyes

We were not treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK! Otherwise we'd have had the Poll Tax the following year!

And it's 'you' now, is it?!
Oh dear. It seems you really have run out of anything relevant to say. You have surpassed your usual "fingers in the ears & "la-la-la-la"" with that one.

...and lets be clear, this happened 23 years ago - its hardly relevant to today & the issue at hand anyway.

Your attempts at winning an 'argument' with rhetoric like that are quite laughable.

The point is, justified or not, people up here remember the Poll Tax. People up hear still speak about The Clearances like it was last year so things the Tories are perceived to have done will not be forgotten in a hurry!

And, I ask again, were we retreated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK?
OK, you are so crass & petty that I need to reword that - just for you. smile

"You have been treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK in every substantive way (some might argue better) - THAT is the point."

You can not put a cigarette paper between the way the Scots have been treated in relation to anyone else in the UK. You pay the same taxes as the rest of us etc etc etc,

Anyone would think you all got sent to bed early on the weekends FFS ! rolleyes

Clearances? Really? That's relevant today?

The poll tax is relevant today?

What planet are you on? laugh

And who are you spitting bile at about that? Ah yes, "the Auld enemy" rolleyes
Again more selective thinking! I am not speaking about my views necessarily but how many people up here think. Whether you like to believe that or not, it is a factor! The legacy of the Tories in the perception of many Scots is not very positive.

But still, are you saying, that Scotland was treated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK in terms of the poll tax? Simple yes or no will suffice...

Wombat3

5,177 posts

75 months

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ViperPict said:
Again more selective thinking! I am not speaking about my views necessarily but how many people up here think. Whether you like to believe that or not, it is a factor! The legacy of the Tories in the perception of many Scots is not very positive.

But still, are you saying, that Scotland was treated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK in terms of the poll tax? Simple yes or no will suffice...
OH FFS, do grow up. rolleyes

We all know Scotland got the poll tax a year earlier - but we all paid it & the reasons Scotland got it a year earlier (as has been documented) were not malicious or deliberatly intended to disadvantage Scotland.

You used the word "perception" and you are right in that for once - perception is all it is & mostly entirely divorced from reality (usually aided and abetted by people such as your good self making ste up on the hoof). Mostly its inaccurate and utter bks.

Done with talking about the poll tax (and the bloody clearances) - its irrelevant.

The scottish defecit or lack of a central bank are not. If you want to discuss this stuff then trying coming up with something sensible on those - its a tad more "pressing".

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