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Kermit power
14,883 posts
82 months
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roachcoach said: Kermit power said: There's plenty of legal sources for streamed and downloaded media, and no excuse for illegal downloading any more than there is for any other crime. I assume you're not an anime fan then? No, I'm not. However, if I were, it would seem that I have access to 879 Anime titles on my LoveFilm subscription perfectly legally. Not immediate streaming on those, I grant you, but there's plenty of other stuff on there which can be streamed instantly whilst you're waiting for your next lot of DVDs to turn up. roachcoach said: Or ever had a problem with media? I did once, yes. I bought some tracks off MSN Music where the background supplier disappeared, and I now can't get the DRM certificates for them. Yes, I could use this as a pathetic excuse to justify a crime, or alternatively I could do what I did, which is to go and use Amazon instead, where there is no DRM to worry about. roachcoach said: IMO, the product released by dubious groups currently exceeds the quality of the legitimate goods. That should never be allowed to happen.
Furthermore, the fact that sites like these file lockers prosper demonstrate that people will pay for the content in the form they want it.
The market is there, the consumer will is there right now the suppliers are dropping the ball big time and litigating instead of innovating.
Now, I admit, they're slowly getting it, but too little and [arguably] too late. Instead of driving forward, they're now swimming against the tide. But then, these industries have opposed technology at every new development, finally give in and make massive profits from it in the end....so this should not be a surprise.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
These fools must think they're in Groundhog Day. Whilst it might be frustrating, it's no excuse for stealing the stuff. Do you seriously believe people only pirate stuff they can't download legally from the likes of Amazon without DRM restrictions to potentially cause them problems in the future? Of course they don't. It's just another excuse for people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're breaking the law because they don't want to pay a miserable 79p or whatever to download a track. As I said on another thread, it's no different to refusing to pay for a ticket on a train that isn't full. "I wouldn't have bought the music anyway if I'd had to pay for it". Equally, you could've walked/cycled/hitch-hiked instead of catching the train if you'd been forced to pay for it. It's just a case of saying "it's more convenient for me to break the law, so why shouldn't I?" "It's only a download of 0s and 1s. It doesn't stop anyone else buying it, and it's not stealing anything tangible". Equally, "the train was going there anyway, so it didn't cost them anything for me to travel for free, and it wasn't full, so I wasn't taking a seat from a fare-paying passenger". This is perfectly true. However, if all the passengers stopped paying for the train, how long do you think the trains would keep running for? Why do you think musicians will be able to continue recording music if they're not getting paid for it?
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Marf
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110 months
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As I said in the other thread, all this kind of behaviour will do is drive people to host their websites(legal or otherwise) in jurisdictions unfriendly to the US and those who do not have extradition agreements with the US.
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jonnydrama
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33 months
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miniman said:  What's the story? What a delightful specimen.
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roachcoach
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24 months
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Kermit power said: <stuff> My point was that people are PAYING for locker sites - ergo its not an unwillingness to pay, so we must look elsewhere for reasons. Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it. As for the anime - its a well known topic and source of frustration, granted more on series than films - it IS a significant issue in that genre.
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smartypants
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38 months
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Tallbut Buxomly said: Seriously how f  king inept can the music and video industry and the us gov be!!! They're really going to open up a HUGE can of worms if they keep this s t up. You are going to have hackers ripping the s t out of all their websites servers etc. At the moment all hackers tend to do is get in and shut them down. I have wondered for years who the idiots are leading these media corps that they cant seem to grasp the simplest of things and keep up with the times. Said this on the other thread. What idiots are running this show? They are so far behind the times the only way they see of catching up is to shut everything down? This will not end well for them.
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miniman
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131 months
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jonnydrama said: miniman said: What's the story? What a delightful specimen. Prolonged DDOS attack on PH back in the day.
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smartypants
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38 months
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Kermit power said: So basically what you're saying is "they shouldn't try and stop crime, because the criminals might be nasty to them". Interesting approach there!
Does that mean the authorities shouldn't prosecute murderers in case the murderer tries to off the judge in court?
There's plenty of legal sources for streamed and downloaded media, and no excuse for illegal downloading any more than there is for any other crime. Doing what they're doing is akin to shutting down all sweet shops because one shop in Hackney sold knock off dime bars.
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thetapeworm
4,716 posts
108 months
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Silent1 said: Old PHers will remember our run in with that German t t known as kimble/Kim Schmitz/Kim dotcom I don't suppose there is a link to any of this or a brief summary available?
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Neil H
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120 months
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miniman said: jonnydrama said: miniman said: What's the story? What a delightful specimen. Prolonged DDOS attack on PH back in the day. That guy has been around causing trouble for years, I remember back in the late 90s he used to troll the forums of Barrysworld posting threats about hacking them and more general ery.
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Crusoe
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100 months
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Silver lining might be that the CEO claims to be Swizz Beatz, could be worth it if he gets locked up.
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bishbash
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roachcoach
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24 months
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Crusoe said: Silver lining might be that the CEO Swizz Beatz, could be worth it if he gets locked up. He's not a suspect. Somehow.
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andy_s
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128 months
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roachcoach said: Crusoe said: Silver lining might be that the CEO Swizz Beatz, could be worth it if he gets locked up. He's not a suspect. Somehow. http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2012/01/19/swizz-beatz-does-not-own-megaupload-says-court-filing/
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miniman
16,015 posts
131 months
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bishbash said: Number plates: GOD HACKER MAFIA What a prick.
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Kermit power
14,883 posts
82 months
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smartypants said: Doing what they're doing is akin to shutting down all sweet shops because one shop in Hackney sold knock off dime bars. As I understand it, it's more akin to shutting down the sweetie wholesaler in Hackney because they've failed to stop a few of their staff selling knock-off sweeties to a few sweet shops. Yes, it's a f ker for their legitimate customers, but what else are the authorities to do if the wholesaler won't stop the problem themselves?
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Pesty
25,906 posts
125 months
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Can I have that G55 please
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Kermit power
14,883 posts
82 months
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roachcoach said: My point was that people are PAYING for locker sites - ergo its not an unwillingness to pay, so we must look elsewhere for reasons.
Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it. I don't doubt there are some fringe areas such as Anime which have a small but ardent following that isn't well served, but the vast majority of pirating in mainstream, blockbuster stuff where this isn't a valid argument.
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miniman
16,015 posts
131 months
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smartypants said: Kermit power said: So basically what you're saying is "they shouldn't try and stop crime, because the criminals might be nasty to them". Interesting approach there!
Does that mean the authorities shouldn't prosecute murderers in case the murderer tries to off the judge in court?
There's plenty of legal sources for streamed and downloaded media, and no excuse for illegal downloading any more than there is for any other crime. Doing what they're doing is akin to shutting down all sweet shops because one shop in Hackney sold knock off dime bars. This isn't really about copyright infringement, is it? Here's the list of charges and penalties: NZ Herald said: The individuals each face a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison on the charge of conspiracy to commit racketeering, five years in prison on the charge of conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, 20 years in prison on the charge of conspiracy to commit money laundering and five years in prison on each of the substantive charges of criminal copyright infringement. Remember how they got Capone?
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smartypants
17,425 posts
38 months
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Kermit power said: As I understand it, it's more akin to shutting down the sweetie wholesaler in Hackney because they've failed to stop a few of their staff selling knock-off sweeties to a few sweet shops. Yes, it's a f ker for their legitimate customers, but what else are the authorities to do if the wholesaler won't stop the problem themselves? When you put it like that unfortunately it just shows how you cannot equate internet hosting and traffic to wholesale goods, I apologise for introducing the analogy  We provide an internet business application, part of which allows our clients to upload and store digital assets. What if one of those assets happened to infringe some copyright? Would the US then come and remove all of our servers serving all of our clients? I understand copyright is important, and seeing to not do anything gives the green light for everyone to start hosting pirated DVDs etc. However I see that more of a problem for the industry themselves, they are way behind on digital and internet technology, and the way the world works now. This will not go well for them, they will lose.
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smartypants
17,425 posts
38 months
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miniman said: Remember how they got Capone? Yep. In this instance, I don't think it relates by all accounts. The bloke seems to be a right Just talking in general about attacking a hosting company because of certain people using your method of upload and storage to do something naughty. Like going after a gun manufacturer after a murder has taken place?
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