I yield to nobody in my hatred of the filthy disgusting dehumanising credo of socialism. If I thought for a minute voting UKIP would encourage it's infestation I would think twice before so doing. I live in a constituency represented by a lying swindling spineless human turd called Francis Maude and I would rather vote Labour than vote for that horrible .

Then we have Apache's foolishly arrogant comments whereby he blames the voters for the failings of the Condservatives and not agreeing with them; no wonder the British population hold the Tories in such contempt. We have a Govt run by plastic nonentities, whose policies are a disgrace in that embody New Labour, and yet you have the chutzpah to blame the voters if insufficient MPs are elected to form a Govt. This from the people who knifed Margaret Thatcher in the back. Unbelievable, and the more I come across this attitude the more pleased I am I defected to UKIP ten years ago.

I'm curious as to what you are basing that assertion on?

My take is that the main political parties - not the voters- have moved to the left - TB was elected at a time the Tories were at rock bottom with allegation of sleaze folloŵed by yet another allegation of sleaze, plus they were divided over Europe if memory serves me correctly.

TB represented a new hope, with policies that appeared to be not to threatening to the middle classes. Is it not the case that actually its the Tory party that has swung to the left to match New Labour policies and come over as "nice", rather than "nasty"?

There wasnt enough divide between them at the last election hence we ended up with something nobody voted for, a coalition. With all three main parties occupying left of centre ground, the long suffering public have no where to go. I think there's a reservoir of centre right views waiting to spill out, if only DC would break the dam.

For that reason, the Tories need to move right, not further left and an EU referendum is one way of gaining some of the populist vote. Just my opinion tainted by a healthy dose of confirmation bias of course!

Knit you a nice cardigan.

Well ive spent the last 2 weeks in the south of France. They have continued in their traditional way of not really noticing anybody else.

I returned to the Uk yesterday and all I heard about was flooding.

Im back to Naziland now, Ill let you know whats going down amongst the Nazis and Germans next week.

I rather suspect it will be cynicism.

Guardian is running a "in or out" vote on the EU

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/...

Best view of Brum is in the rear view mirror. I say that still having a home in Brum which I keep, in order to to be able to easily see my kids and my friends in the Midlands.

I can only see this latest fudge in the EU, as another attempt to buy more time. Which will not address the real problem. The EU seems to prefer to push this along and not actually face the problem at all.

Without fundamental structural reform in the operation of the Eurozone there can be no real change to the problems. Such reforms will take time, if in fact, they can be agreed by the members. Which is itself, very doubtful.

The defaulters cannot remain, as they are, dangling on a thread, whilst such a process grinds on. Hardly a recipe for success is it? I would expect the return of seriously expensive bonds for Italy, Spain and Portugal shortly as the reality of the failure of the EU to take effective action, seeps through the markets. Greece is I fear, a dead man walking.

63% out. In the Guardian. That is really quite damning unless some trolling is going on.

Lots of reports in the Irish media that this latest deal amounts to "separation of banking liabilities and sovereign debt".

It clearly doesn't do this. The banking liabilities are just spread across the Eurozone sovereigns.

The underlying issue is unrealised losses. Spreading them around won't make them go away.

Why the BRICs can't copy the West. Quite interesting http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2...

Do most of the population not want to live the life of the rich Americans?