Cameron - crackdown on booze abuse

[Halb]

hollydog said:

superkartracer said:

Car deaths - 2500 per year
Drink related - 10000 per year
750,000 from eating to much lard ( heart attack )
Cannabis - about 10 per year
So, ban cars/fat people/drink and smoke dope, simples

Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 16th February 11:39

Need to get your facts right . Theres 125000 die through heart attacks per year . Of these 30.000 is directly through beening seriously over weight. The other 95.000 are just normal sizes varied ages. and even healthy thin people can have heart attacks.

Or
Overall tobacco smoking is estimated to be responsible for more than a quarter of cancer deaths in the UK, that is, around 43,000 deaths in 2007

Best thing? Make low fat brownies or muffins instead, winner!

[dcb]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Completely agree. Government and councils are too scared about "damaging the economy" or some such nonsense and just love the idea of not addressing the town centre problem but increasing taxes on everyone instead.

It really is a sign of the times...

+1

UK Gov would be seen to be doing something about the problem
and the extra taxes would be very handy in a recession.

Of course, only about 5% of drinkers are problem drinkers,
but why bother to address the real issue when extra taxes can
be levied ?

Self control isn't in the pocket, it's between the ears.

[cazzer]

As a non drinking smoker I hope they nail the lot of you for massive tax hikes.

First they came for etc.......

[Einion Yrth]

cazzer said:

As a non drinking smoker I hope they nail the lot of you for massive tax hikes.

First they came for etc.......

Why? As a non-smoking drinker I supported smokers when that set of authoritarian bks came down the track. Do you want to make me regret that? Divide and rule cazzer, divide and rule.

[alfaman]

The other angle on this is if alcohol tax were massively increased - the revenue raised may enable income tax to be reduced [??].. increasing net earnings and giving people more choice on where their money goes.

Where I live beer is around 6-8 GBP per pint - however the high taxes on cars , alcohol and cigarettes are compensated by a top income tax rate of 20% ..which leaves a much higher disposable income.

There is not the same "get pissed and aggressive " culture as the UK, and just about ZERO trouble from drunks ... perhaps something to do with the risk of being fined or even caned if you get violent and cause serious injury.

[F i F]

Well as a non smoking very close to tee-totaller I hope they tax the living daylights out of the lot of you.

Only kidding, tax will solve nothing.

Frosted mentioned alcohol price in Sweden. Sorry chap but that is total rubbish. It used to be taxed far higher than it is now. Drunken behaviour was far worse, you'd walk into the Friday night dance and there they'd be, already hammered on the home brew / illegal hooch.

The solution as mentioned by others is to target the problem children who attack others and cause damage. The problem is that if they get nicked then either they don't get taken to court or if they do then the sentence is laughable, so they feel no consequences for their actions which then includes assaulting police officers.

Getting the landlords responsible for serving them booze? No we didn't seve him, he was pissed when he came in so we refused. Either that or you ask the Polish barmaid if she has served a tattooed white male shaven head wearing a T shirt, they look at you blankly and you turn round and you've just described 50% of her customers.

Back to subject OP, who is Dave going to get to fill these drunk tanks? Fewer and fewer response on the streets. It's all political puff, thought we'd got rid of that. No doubt the prick will turn round and say sling them in the tank after doing the paperwork on your Blackberry. tt!

[hollydog]

You only have to compare the mount of smokers. The putting the tax up on fags has not slowed smoking down .So why do the government think its going to work with beer. Its just a way of getting more money out of you.

[cazzer]

Einion Yrth said:

cazzer said:

As a non drinking smoker I hope they nail the lot of you for massive tax hikes.

First they came for etc.......

Why? As a non-smoking drinker I supported smokers when that set of authoritarian bks came down the track. Do you want to make me regret that? Divide and rule cazzer, divide and rule.

bks.

Nobody gave a crap when they were dividing and ruling the smokers.
I said at the time they would move on alcohol next.

I was all for live and let live but after putting up with the number of smug non smoking arses on here gloating about "smoke free pubs" and us having to stand outside etc etc. I hope they price you out of pubs completely.

Bitter? Me? Very.

[Einion Yrth]

cazzer said:

Bitter? Me? Very.

As well as incapable of reading comprehension it would seem.
Short sighted and stupid, I actually miss smokey pubs despite having given up years go, but it's much easier for you to generalise and lump us all together. Pathetic and small minded.

[Sump Scraper]

Halb said:

hollydog said:

superkartracer said:

Car deaths - 2500 per year
Drink related - 10000 per year
750,000 from eating to much lard ( heart attack )
Cannabis - about 10 per year
So, ban cars/fat people/drink and smoke dope, simples

Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 16th February 11:39

Need to get your facts right . Theres 125000 die through heart attacks per year . Of these 30.000 is directly through beening seriously over weight. The other 95.000 are just normal sizes varied ages. and even healthy thin people can have heart attacks.

Or
Overall tobacco smoking is estimated to be responsible for more than a quarter of cancer deaths in the UK, that is, around 43,000 deaths in 2007

Best thing? Make low fat brownies or muffins instead, winner!

Nobody has ever died from smoking cannabis so I don't know where your 10 per year figure comes from?

[superkartracer]

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/MediaNews_FactResearchGuide...

[Marf]

"umbers of deaths where selected substances were mentioned on the death certificate in England and Wales, 2006"

So this does not mean that someone died from smoking cannabis directly as a result of toxicity, just that cannabis was mentioned on the death certificate.

[Sump Scraper]

superkartracer said:

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/MediaNews_FactResearchGuide...

Some quotes from your link.....

"Most drug related harm is non-fatal, and drug related deaths are not proof that a certain drug is inherently harmful, since harm to an individual is determined by how the drug used (dose, frequency, poly drug use, method of use, etc)"

"Some deaths may be counted for more than one drug. For example, if heroin and cannabis are recorded on the death certificate, the death will be recorded once under heroin and once under cannabis."

misleading drug report is misleading!

[voyds9]

Sump Scraper said:

Nobody has ever died from smoking cannabis so I don't know where your 10 per year figure comes from?

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs

Have a look at table 2 .

It seems to depend on how you define died from, if you just include smoking it then probably no one has, if you include the other effects (depression, car accidents whilst driving under influence etc) then a few do.

[superkartracer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1445718/Can...

Like all drugs, best to avoid

[Marf]

voyds9 said:

Sump Scraper said:

Nobody has ever died from smoking cannabis so I don't know where your 10 per year figure comes from?

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs

Have a look at table 2 .

It seems to depend on how you define died from, if you just include smoking it then probably no one has, if you include the other effects (depression, car accidents whilst driving under influence etc) then a few do.

Indeed. "Died from" to me means the drug's toxicity caused the death(something that is impossible with cannabis). If you died as a result of a car crash from being stoned, then that would not be a "died from" example, merely that being stoned was a contributory factor to the accident happening.

[CommanderJameson]

superkartracer said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1445718/Can...

Like all drugs, best to avoid enjoy once one has properly appraised and understood the risks

EFA?

[Apache]

superkartracer said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1445718/Can...

Like all drugs, best to avoid

In this context, utterly irrelevant, about as useful as comparing deaths caused by driving and texting

[superkartracer]

So if the person in question had not been stoned then one could say they would have continued living, so Canabis use actually killed them

[Marf]

superkartracer said:

So if the person in question had not been stoned then one could say they would have continued living, so Canabis use actually killed them

Cannabis use was a contributory factor in their death. Cannabis did not kill them.

Same as alcohol, if someone is drunk and kills themself in a car crash, did they die from the alcohol? No, but it was a contributory factor in their death.