Cameron - crackdown on booze abuse

[Mojooo]

I really do not think introducing alcohol to kids at a younger age will have any effect

The 2 key problems are and always will be

- younger people getting drunk with their mates on the street

- people going out to pubs/clubs on a night out to get smashed

To deal with that you need to take an aggresive approach. I really do not think we will be able to change atitudes that much.

Personally I think the Police should be allow to detain someone in a cell for a full 24 hours each time they are found causing trouble after having been drunk.

[0a]

frosted said:

Is that really a question ?

Yes. For a start anyone who runs multiple cars should be steralised.

[Derek Smith]

Mojooo said:

I believe in the UK you cannot serve drunks either - that was what i was told when I worked at a supermarket anyway.

May not apply to pubs though.

It is indeed an offence, one viewed quite seriously by licensing justices in my time, to serve a drunk alcohol. It matters not what type of licence you have.

My view when entering a pub is that if I got abuse merely for being there then the person is probably drunk.

[frosted]

0a said:

frosted said:

Is that really a question ?

Yes. For a start anyone who runs multiple cars should be steralised.

You do what now ?

[Halb]

Sometimes when I order of my favourite tipples, a mad/turbo shandy, I get told that I am not allowed that drink, and once the cat is out of the bag I have been refused the different items that go to make up a turbo/mad shandy. I dislike this, but then again I dislike how towns look like a policeman's ball at times, or how much money is pissed down the drain by the same chav scum in the local hospital.

"85 patients who attended A&E departments 1,123 times, averaging one visit per month between them. The same patients were also responsible for 664 ambulance call outs in the same period."
The above refers to stupid people more than drunk scum, but there is an article somewhere saying how...ahh found it.
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/health/87...
"The 96 patients cost the NHS more than £1 million over a 10-month period in 2010 after they clocked up 340 ambulance call-outs and 853 visits to A&E with 441 resulting in a hospital admission. "

What is the answer? Do we all get treated with the same stick? Taxes won't fix our culture.

[0a]

frosted said:

0a said:

frosted said:

Is that really a question ?

Yes. For a start anyone who runs multiple cars should be steralised.

You do what now ?

Sorry I just meant to highlight another example of looking at something someone else does that you don't and deciding it's "wrong", "should be taxed, "banned" and so on.

Punish the hell out of drunk and disorderly people for being disorderly, leave the rest of us who enjoy a pint or two alone.

[mondeoman]

0a said:

frosted said:

0a said:

frosted said:

Is that really a question ?

Yes. For a start anyone who runs multiple cars should be steralised.

You do what now ?

Sorry I just meant to highlight another example of looking at something someone else does that you don't and deciding it's "wrong", "should be taxed, "banned" and so on.

Punish the hell out of drunk and disorderly people for being disorderly, leave the rest of us who enjoy a pint or two alone.

The sarcasm radar is weak in this one

[frosted]

0a said:

Sorry I just meant to highlight another example of looking at something someone else does that you don't and deciding it's "wrong", "should be taxed, "banned" and so on.

Punish the hell out of drunk and disorderly people for being disorderly, leave the rest of us who enjoy a pint or two alone.

Not my fault it's cool to get stFACED and then start kickin a fuss for no reason

[0a]

frosted said:

Not my fault it's cool to get stFACED and then start kickin a fuss for no reason

That's it i'm off out on the town

[Bing o]

Raise tax to make a beer cost a fiver, and a bottle of spirits 50 quid, and cut income tax. If you work and pay taxes, then you can afford a beer; if you are dole scum, then tough titties.

[crankedup]

I know I know, I'm an old fart that would like to see coal mining revived in the U.K. So harking back to the good ole daze wine drinking was almost unheard of in the 1970's! If you ordered a glass of wine in a pub that would get some looks from other punters for sure. Then wine appeared and it was Blue Nun, what a treat of real upper class pretentiousness for us snotty nosed oiks. Blue Nun back now

[Tunku]

I can imagine home brewing taking off again with high tax on bought alcohol. Wouldn't bother me, but I'd have to go and wash out all my old demijohns in the garage.

[Mojocvh]

g3org3y said:

frosted said:

As a non drinker I am in favour of pricing people out, seriously dislike drunks

Right...

(seem to be using this meme more and more).

I've had my fair share of experiences with drunks working in a very busy Essex A&E on a Friday/Saturday night. Ranges from minor things - cuts and bruises to people coming in unconscious/vomiting compromising their airway, skull fractures from falls or fights. Takes up a BIG proportion of your time and it is VERY difficult to assess someone who is drunk if you are suspecting an underlying medical problem.

The pricing is not the issue. It is the cultural attitude in this country to alcohol and getting wrecked. The rest of mainland Europe seem to drink as much (if not more) but seem to avoid the issues we have here. Over there, alcohol is introduced at an earlier age at the dinner table under the parent's supervision.

I couldn't possibly take a higher moral stance, suffice to say 6 years at university resulted in the 'occasional' slightly squiffy night.

Quite right, and another question is WHY people need to get plastered, nothing to do with a whole raft of deep seated social problems in the slightest then Mr Cameroon.

[Allanv]

frosted said:

0a said:

Sorry I just meant to highlight another example of looking at something someone else does that you don't and deciding it's "wrong", "should be taxed, "banned" and so on.

Punish the hell out of drunk and disorderly people for being disorderly, leave the rest of us who enjoy a pint or two alone.

Not my fault it's cool to get stFACED and then start kickin a fuss for no reason

What about us that can go and enjoy a few drinks with the wife and friends in a pub to a point of falling over after a good laugh and food then get in a taxi home, yet never in 20+ years have ever caused a fuss / fight / or anything else. should we be punished for the thick?

[wiggy001]

frosted said:

0a said:

Sorry I just meant to highlight another example of looking at something someone else does that you don't and deciding it's "wrong", "should be taxed, "banned" and so on.

Punish the hell out of drunk and disorderly people for being disorderly, leave the rest of us who enjoy a pint or two alone.

Not my fault it's cool to get stFACED and then start kickin a fuss for no reason

Can we put a tax on trolling?

[crankedup]

Mojocvh said:

Quite right, and another question is WHY people need to get plastered, nothing to do with a whole raft of deep seated social problems in the slightest then Mr Cameroon.

Nail on the head.

[otolith]

I suspect some smokers who now feel excluded from pubs might take a bit of a dog-in-the-manger attitude to drinking in public

Edited by otolith on Wednesday 15th February 22:22

[roachcoach]

Half these booze proposals are like 'brake's approach to driving.


Some grotty fkwit can't cope with it, therefore noone can have nice things.



It's my life, if I like a drink and no one is hurt or inconvenienced by it, ps off and leave me to it.


ETA: it's even worse in Scotland, adverts on he radio CONSTANTLY, SNP always bleating about it. Like a broken record tbh.

[Darkk]

Is it possible to exclude "Problems related to alcohol" from the NHS/Police budget?

What I mean is: You got drunk beyond belief, decided to do something "properly" stupid, got hurt, you pay your own hospital bills.

Same thing with injuries due to a fight related to alcohol, and a fee every time the Police has to deal with you/your actions.

Get 3 strikes, and yet, caught drinking again, heavy penalty.


Is this possible?

[Mojocvh]

Darkk said:

Is it possible to exclude "Problems related to alcohol" from the NHS/Police budget?

What I mean is: You got drunk beyond belief, decided to do something "properly" stupid, got hurt, you pay your own hospital bills.

Same thing with injuries due to a fight related to alcohol, and a fee every time the Police has to deal with you/your actions.

Get 3 strikes, and yet, caught drinking again, heavy penalty.


Is this possible?

Very good idea. Until the lefties get their claws into it.