Discussion
odyssey2200 said:
How many millions of gallons of water are wasted because the water companies (foreign owned) are too busy counting their profits to fix the leaking, archaic pipes?
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money? 
otherman said:
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money?
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
perdu said:
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?
The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
Changes in rainfall patterns, increases in impermeable areas, increased sewage discharge through water usage, ageing infrastructure, stricter CSO discharge limits.. and so on.The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
However, yes the water companies are in effect cartels designed for profit. OFWAT is useless.
perdu said:
otherman said:
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money?
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
otherman said:
perdu said:
otherman said:
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money?
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
Anyone know why we have such little water storage in the UK? I suppose it is because of usually reliable rainfall, low evaporation rates and lack of suitable valleys that can be dammed. By way of comparison, the Sydney water storage when full has about 4yrs supply even with no rainfall, obviously tailored to the drought conditions experienced there from time to time.
otherman said:
perdu said:
otherman said:
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money?
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
They knew there would be maintenance to do when they purchased their Golden Geese, instead of looking after some of the eggs for "service delivery" hitches they pocket the blimmin' lot expecting Joe Stupid Public to sort it for them
I have a fairly reasonable "provider" but even they seem to leak nigh on as much as they deliver
otherman said:
perdu said:
otherman said:
Archaic pipes is right. The water companies could replace the whole water network to remove any leakage. Maybe they could get this done over a 20 year period and it would involve digging up every street in england. your water bill would go up by £2000 per annum. And you would benefit what? Hose pipe bans every 50 years instead of every 5. Value for money?
But why should our water bills go up so dramatically?The water companies took over an existing network of pipery, they didn't have to lay it all again except for new builds so should it not be their responsibility to maintain the pipes from their profits?
The costs to us are enough as it is.
Why should we be expected to pay extra?
The water companies just neglected to do it, kept the money and called it profit.
Monday, 7 August 2006,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/525...
TREVOR NEWTON
Former Chief Executive, Yorkshire Water
I haven't had a bath or a shower now for three months, but I'm not recommending, I'm not asking, I'm not advising people not to take bath or showers, I just say it's possible to do it, and when somebody said it's not possible I said well of course it is because I haven't been taking baths or showers at home.
Daily Express
"Clever Trevor takes a bath at parents' home"
DAVIES: It soon transpired that Mr Newton was sneaking over the boarder to his mother-in-laws for a stealth bath. He was lampooned mercilessly in the press. What's striking now is that Yorkshire Water, once the laughing stock of the industry, is now the best in the business. It's been voted utility of the year for the last two years, and OFWAT now fates it as the industry's most financially efficient company and the best provider of customer service.
That's an extraordinary turnaround. How have you done it?
RICHARD FLINT
Director of Water Business Unit
Yorkshire Water
When you've confronted 1995 like we did and confronted the failure that we did in 1995, you realise that you never ever want to be in those sets of circumstances again. So we put constant and almost obsessive focus on us maintaining our standards and I saw the dark days of 1995, and like a lot of other people went through the public disapproval, not only professionally but also personally, and that isn't somewhere you want to be.
DAVIES: The company has made leakage a priority. The amount of water lost has dropped by over 40% in the last decade. They also say they've transformed their whole ethos of dealing with customers, and they were only two happy for us to witness their charm offensive at work.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/525...
TREVOR NEWTON
Former Chief Executive, Yorkshire Water
I haven't had a bath or a shower now for three months, but I'm not recommending, I'm not asking, I'm not advising people not to take bath or showers, I just say it's possible to do it, and when somebody said it's not possible I said well of course it is because I haven't been taking baths or showers at home.
Daily Express
"Clever Trevor takes a bath at parents' home"
DAVIES: It soon transpired that Mr Newton was sneaking over the boarder to his mother-in-laws for a stealth bath. He was lampooned mercilessly in the press. What's striking now is that Yorkshire Water, once the laughing stock of the industry, is now the best in the business. It's been voted utility of the year for the last two years, and OFWAT now fates it as the industry's most financially efficient company and the best provider of customer service.
That's an extraordinary turnaround. How have you done it?
RICHARD FLINT
Director of Water Business Unit
Yorkshire Water
When you've confronted 1995 like we did and confronted the failure that we did in 1995, you realise that you never ever want to be in those sets of circumstances again. So we put constant and almost obsessive focus on us maintaining our standards and I saw the dark days of 1995, and like a lot of other people went through the public disapproval, not only professionally but also personally, and that isn't somewhere you want to be.
DAVIES: The company has made leakage a priority. The amount of water lost has dropped by over 40% in the last decade. They also say they've transformed their whole ethos of dealing with customers, and they were only two happy for us to witness their charm offensive at work.
odyssey2200 said:
otherman said:
Because it would cost billions to do. Where else could the money come from.
But we have been paying for the maintenance of the system all all along.The water companies just neglected to do it, kept the money and called it profit.
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