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Discussion
0a said:
No axe at all, I was wondering the same about you (usually plod/anti-Murdoch?). In the grand scale of things I cannot judge accessing voicemails as particularly serious at all.
I'd hope it would teach people to change thier passcode though...
Do you think there was a bit more to it though than Hugh Grants voicemails ? Like, bribery, theft, the relationship with political parties, Police corruption etc ? I'd hope it would teach people to change thier passcode though...
Mr_B said:
Do you think there was a bit more to it though than Hugh Grants voicemails ? Like, bribery, theft, the relationship with political parties, Police corruption etc ?
Oh don't be so anti-Murdoch! Don't you know that one of the biggest newspaper scandals in recent years is actually just a trivial thing about a few accessed voicemails on people too dumb to change their default password? 
It's a conspiracy, I tell you! It's a plot to overthrow his Murdochness and His One True Prophet whose name is 0a and whose number is 10
Ozzie Osmond said:
Murdoch thinks that if he ingratiates himself enough in the right places he can still get away with this.
And why shouldn't he? He's got away with so much before, and this for a very long time. Had it not been for the press he probably would have got away with phoned hacking.He sucked up to governments, or that part of it he beleived would be in government. He supported Thatcher and got concessions, Major I'm not so sure of, but I think, if you look carefully enough, you might find that his support of Blair earned him a convenience or two. Arguable of course.
Then he threw his weight, or papers, behind Cameron and missed the boat. But then everybody did.
However, thoughout his time supporting various governments, being given access to those with authority, he has been given concession after concession.
The BBC has been attacked by Murdoch and then, surprise, surprise, was attacked by the last government.
The only reason he has kept the Times and Sun on is to exert influence on the government. He is allowed to dominate sports broadcastng. A government appointee is placed in overall charge of the BBC and then all of a sudden we get the BBC giving up one of the jewels in its crown, possible its biggest. Just one of those coincidences I suppose, but now Sky dominates sports. It won't be long before it takes over F1. The one government minister who was going to take mMurdoch on is kicked out and so it goes on.
Blackpuddin said:
Not really understanding Oa's point here. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Unless that is he's saying that there is no longer any distinction between right and wrong?
The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
Oh please dont be daft.The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
DJRC said:
Blackpuddin said:
Not really understanding Oa's point here. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Unless that is he's saying that there is no longer any distinction between right and wrong?
The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
Oh please dont be daft.The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
You will get the media you deserve.
mad4amanda said:
DJRC said:
Blackpuddin said:
Not really understanding Oa's point here. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Unless that is he's saying that there is no longer any distinction between right and wrong?
The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
Oh please dont be daft.The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
You will get the media you deserve.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
Society *likes* the way the media works, this is why it has allowed it and encoured it for the last 200+ yrs. The above quote I believe actually comes from Wellington and was in response to him being blackmailed about his affairs and threatned to have them all exposed in the press. Nothing has changed. Welcome to humanity.
DJRC said:
mad4amanda said:
DJRC said:
Blackpuddin said:
Not really understanding Oa's point here. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Unless that is he's saying that there is no longer any distinction between right and wrong?
The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
Oh please dont be daft.The transparency and greed of Murdoch is confirmed once again.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
You will get the media you deserve.
This is a profession that lives on the principle of "publish and be damned". Always has done pre-Victorian era morals that you are trying to espouse.
Society *likes* the way the media works, this is why it has allowed it and encoured it for the last 200+ yrs. The above quote I believe actually comes from Wellington and was in response to him being blackmailed about his affairs and threatned to have them all exposed in the press. Nothing has changed. Welcome to humanity.
0a said:
Good on him, I'm fed up with the BBC and Guardian arselickers and couldn't care less about phone 'hacking' a few celebs who were dumb enough to leave their voicemail password as the default one.
I am concerned about the access they had to the police, but that doesn't seem to be raised at all.
Yup.I am concerned about the access they had to the police, but that doesn't seem to be raised at all.
The hysteria when this all broke was ridiculous. Much ado about nothing imho.
Haggleburyfinius said:
The hysteria when this all broke was ridiculous. Much ado about nothing imho.
Much like Chris Harris's denouement of Ferrari on Jalopnik, it was finally shouting "THERE'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE f
kING ROOM" though, wasn't it? Personally (and I acknowledge this is just personal opinion) I think it is much to do about a lot. Just like the expenses scandal. It is an embarrassing admission of what has been going on for ages. If you think that this is all just about some voicemails then you are naive in the extreme, as is 0a.
JonRB said:
Personally (and I acknowledge this is just personal opinion) I think it is much to do about a lot. Just like the expenses scandal. It is an embarrassing admission of what has been going on for ages. If you think that this is all just about some voicemails then you are naive in the extreme, as is 0a.
Conspiracy alert! Rupert Murdoch choses the government and runs the country (or some other nonsense)… The only reason this has rumbled on is because of the hatred of Murdoch and The Sun/NOTW – the fact they are highly successful papers makes them even more disgusting.
Anyway, the Sun On Sunday will no doubt be highly successful, it'll sell more copies than The Observer that's for sure!
0a said:
Conspiracy alert! Rupert Murdoch choses the government and runs the country (or some other nonsense)…
The only reason this has rumbled on is because of the hatred of Murdoch and The Sun/NOTW – the fact they are highly successful papers makes them even more disgusting.
Anyway, the Sun On Sunday will no doubt be highly successful, it'll sell more copies than The Observer that's for sure!
Oh, please. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? The only reason this has rumbled on is because of the hatred of Murdoch and The Sun/NOTW – the fact they are highly successful papers makes them even more disgusting.
Anyway, the Sun On Sunday will no doubt be highly successful, it'll sell more copies than The Observer that's for sure!
JonRB said:
Haggleburyfinius said:
The hysteria when this all broke was ridiculous. Much ado about nothing imho.
Much like Chris Harris's denouement of Ferrari on Jalopnik, it was finally shouting "THERE'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE fkING ROOM" though, wasn't it? Personally (and I acknowledge this is just personal opinion) I think it is much to do about a lot. Just like the expenses scandal. It is an embarrassing admission of what has been going on for ages. If you think that this is all just about some voicemails then you are naive in the extreme, as is 0a.
I do wonder whether the average person really cares either, to be honest. My money is on them missing their Sunday tittle-tattle more!
There seems to be a considerable amount of snobbery surrounding this topic also. People here and elsewhere seem and seemed to be falling over themselves to make it clear that their abhorrence was somehow a product of intellectual and class superiority..."good, I don't read this trash anyway...I'm a Sunday Times reader yada yada".
Perhaps I am just not shocked by much these days and expect beastly behaviour from everyone with a sniff of power...I can't say I was all that apoplectic about the expenses scandal either...I guess if you'd asked me before the story broke I would have guessed at the largesse anyhow.
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