Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

[Mermaid]

It is a pity Muslims, Bankers & Politicians have such a bad reputation. They need to clean up their act for everyone's benefit.
Will they?

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

Countdown, would you agree that the Pakistani community is probably the most reviled amongst the minority groups?

Only if you believe certain websites and some (a minority) of PHers. Most of my friends are white, most of my colleagues are white, and most of my clients are white. I don't see a "revulsion" of Pakistanis (or any particular group). What I do see is a revulsion of a particular attitude/culture/crime regardless of the ethnic background. So generally the people I associate with will look down on criminals, benefit cheats, and the chav classes regardless of what ethnic background they come from. We don't look down on the Irish because of the actions of some members of the travelling community. Similarly we don't assume that drug dealing is associated with any particular ethnic grouping. Or that paedophilia is solely the preserve of catholics.

The only people who continually emphasise the ethnicity of these scumballs seem to be those who desperately need it to be linked to culture/religion/ethnicity so they can vindicate their racism (there, I said the "R" word, my bad)

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

It is a pity Muslims, Bankers & Politicians have such a bad reputation. They need to clean up their act for everyone's benefit.
Will they?

Excellent example. Not all Muslims/Bankers/Politicians are involved in odious acts of self interest.And for those that are, their actions are not usually linked to their ethnic origin.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Similarly we don't assume that drug dealing is associated with any particular ethnic grouping. Or that paedophilia is solely the preserve of catholics.

No, It's Catholics and Muslims. Oh and Jimmy Saville.

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

...The only people who continually emphasise the ethnicity of these scumballs seem to be those who desperately need it to be linked to culture/religion/ethnicity so they can vindicate their racism (there, I said the "R" word, my bad)

This is not good for colour prejudice, and I am merely suggesting it needs to be contained and quickly. Almost a super human effort to be white than white.

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

Mermaid said:

It is a pity Muslims, Bankers & Politicians have such a bad reputation. They need to clean up their act for everyone's benefit.
Will they?

Excellent example. Not all Muslims/Bankers/Politicians are involved in odious acts of self interest.And for those that are, their actions are not usually linked to their ethnic origin.

Agreed, all three groups need to acknowledge mistake have been made and self policing has to be ratcheted up for zero tolerance.

[deadslow]

skinley said:

odyssey2200 said:

Is it because they could smell benefits, a spineless government and a queue of appeasers and apologists just gagging to be "right on" and excuse their medieval ways?

Or is it because their strag of a holy book says they must expand and conquer?

Why don't you show a bit of spine and start a new anti-muslim thread to vent your hate, rather than spewing this bile on a thread about child abuse? The comments above are incredibly disrespectful towards a group of people who are 99.99% very nice and decent.

[Countdown]

odyssey2200 said:

Mermaid said:

primary colours said:

Why have so many devout muslims chosen to settle here knowing that we have an increasingly secular society which is not likely to offer their religion any special respect?

Why do these same people feel that we should offer this exceptional level of respect (we don't for our own religion after all) and then get upset when we choose to promote free speech over fawning accommodation?

Good questions, is there more than one answer?

Is it because they could smell benefits, a spineless government and a queue of appeasers and apologists just gagging to be "right on" and excuse their medieval ways?

Not sure. Both my Grandads came to the UK after several years in the British Army. They fought in Burma, North Africa, and in Italy. If you ever visit the Menin Gate near Ypres you might be surprised at the number of indian names on the memorial.

Anyway, when they came it certainly wasn't benefits tthat attracted them. Anybody who grew up during the 60s and 70s will remember there was sod-all in benefits back then.

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

Not sure. Both my Grandads came to the UK after several years in the British Army. They fought in Burma, North Africa, and in Italy. If you ever visit the Menin Gate near Ypres you might be surprised at the number of indian names on the memorial.

Anyway, when they came it certainly wasn't benefits tthat attracted them. Anybody who grew up during the 60s and 70s will remember there was sod-all in benefits back then.

& isn't that the point perhaps? Those that have settled here for a very long time have a very different (civil & respectful) attitude to the more recent arrivals. What do you think Countdown?

[Countdown]

primary colours said:

Come on now Countdown, I think you've taken this particular post completely out of context. How many times do we hear a representative of Islam tell us that this is a religion of peace and tolerance and, in the next breath, call for a jihad against a person or country because they've caused offence? If it truly is a religion of peace there would be no accommodation of calls for assassination, if it were truly tolerant it would accept that there will be alternative viewpoints. Put aside your previous arguments that the majority of Muslims distance themselves from the activities of the few that I (I can't speak for anyone else) find both repellant and a real threat to our freedom of speech and expression - don't you see the inherrent contradiction? Genuine question.

Good question. And I agree that the person making the statement is a moron. I don't agree that its a threat to our freedoms. British society is a hell of a lot stronger than that.

primary colours said:

All religion is divisive, thankfully in the majority of the Western world we have relegated religion to such a point that it doesn't have to figure in our world if we choose to ignore it (excepting the doorstep visits from Jehovah's Witnesses, but they can be quite good fun if truth be told),

Again I agree with you. I think the reason that religion has such a strong "hold" is some countries is more due to education and economics. Once people have money, jobs, and a stable society the need for religion disappears.

primary colours said:

Why have so many devout muslims chosen to settle here knowing that we have an increasingly secular society which is not likely to offer their religion any special respect?

My grandparents settled here because of the opportunties of jobs and a bettter life for their children. They thought (and I think) that the respective religions are quite compatible. Most of the venom being spouted against muslims ISN'T by Christians, it's by the far-Right. In the UK muslims and christians (IME) get along fine

primary colours said:

Why do these same people feel that we should offer this exceptional level of respect (we don't for our own religion after all) and then get upset when we choose to promote free speech over fawning accommodation?

Muslims (the VAST majority of them) don't expect exceptional or special levels of respect. We're quite happy to be left alone thanks (I exclude the 70 odd members of the MAC who just need a good kicking). What you'll find however is muslims being accused of WANTING special treatment, things like banning Xmas or renaming it Winterval - stuff dreamt up by the Diversity Manager at the Local Authority.

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

Countdown said:

Not sure. Both my Grandads came to the UK after several years in the British Army. They fought in Burma, North Africa, and in Italy. If you ever visit the Menin Gate near Ypres you might be surprised at the number of indian names on the memorial.

Anyway, when they came it certainly wasn't benefits tthat attracted them. Anybody who grew up during the 60s and 70s will remember there was sod-all in benefits back then.

& isn't that the point perhaps? Those that have settled here for a very long time have a very different (civil & respectful) attitude to the more recent arrivals. What do you think Countdown?

Sorry for brief answer - have to pick my eldest up from work

As Tonker says its not the recent arrivals that seem to get all sttroppy. Post 9-11 there's been an awful lot of fingers being pointed at muslims (both rightly and wrongly). As a result of this Some of the generation behind me (currently aged 20-30) have reacted by becoming more religious and using their relligion as some sort of badge as in "nemo me impune lacessit". Theres exttremists on all sides who tend to polarise the peaceful middle.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Muslims (the VAST majority of them) don't expect exceptional or special levels of respect. We're quite happy to be left alone thanks (I exclude the 70 odd members of the MAC who just need a good kicking). What you'll find however is muslims being accused of WANTING special treatment, things like banning Xmas or renaming it Winterval - stuff dreamt up by the Diversity Manager at the Local Authority.

Why am I only hearing this on a niche motoring forum and not in mainstream media?

[skinley]

Countdown said:

We're quite happy to be left alone thanks

We were also quite happy to be left alone. Unfortunately we were not given a choice.

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Countdown said:

Muslims (the VAST majority of them) don't expect exceptional or special levels of respect. We're quite happy to be left alone thanks (I exclude the 70 odd members of the MAC who just need a good kicking). What you'll find however is muslims being accused of WANTING special treatment, things like banning Xmas or renaming it Winterval - stuff dreamt up by the Diversity Manager at the Local Authority.

Why am I only hearing this on a niche motoring forum and not in mainstream media?

Is The Guardian mainstream enough?

Or the Daily Mail?

Edited by Countdown on Saturday 29th September 20:20

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Countdown said:

We're quite happy to be left alone thanks

We were also quite happy to be left alone. Unfortunately we were not given a choice.

Why? Who's interfering with you?

[Pesty]

Countdown said:

Muslims (the VAST majority of them) don't expect exceptional or special levels of respect. We're quite happy to be left alone thanks (

Countdown you may way feel that. However I am white and none muslim and I found different. Be it at the gym or selling a car or anywhere I have had the pleasure of meeting a group of people that feel they can take the piss because I don't belong to their group.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Is The Guardian mainstream enough?]

No. the Guardian is a left wing rag that is only fit for wiping ones arse on.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Why? Who's interfering with you?

Countdown, you seem reasonably intelligent so please stop the willful stupidity.

[Mojocvh]

Countdown said:

Mermaid said:

Countdown, would you agree that the Pakistani community is probably the most reviled amongst the minority groups?

Only if you believe certain websites and some (a minority) of PHers. Most of my friends are white, most of my colleagues are white, and most of my clients are white. I don't see a "revulsion" of Pakistanis (or any particular group). What I do see is a revulsion of a particular attitude/culture/crime regardless of the ethnic background. So generally the people I associate with will look down on criminals, benefit cheats, and the chav classes regardless of what ethnic background they come from. We don't look down on the Irish because of the actions of some members of the travelling community. Similarly we don't assume that drug dealing is associated with any particular ethnic grouping. Or that paedophilia is solely the preserve of catholics.

The only people who continually emphasise the ethnicity of these scumballs seem to be those who desperately need it to be linked to culture/religion/ethnicity so they can vindicate their racism (there, I said the "R" word, my bad)

So do you see yourself as British or Pakistani? Not the small magenta book excuse, but more inwardly and away from any façade of integration?

Well??

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Countdown said:

Is The Guardian mainstream enough?]

No. the Guardion is a left wing rag that is only fit for wiping ones arse on.

The problem is the retraction wasn't on the BBC, Sky, or ITV because they didn't publish the original cr@p in the first place. The "newspapers" which published it HAVE subsequently issued retractions but some people only seem to see one side of the news.....