Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

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RZ1

4,335 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Its shocking reading this, and i fear that this will not get better any time soon.

Why is it that some s are so intent on giving all other Pakistani muslims a bad name.
First of all it was the dickless donkey cum drinking horse fking goat arse licking gaylord fkers from the july bombings. Then finally things calm down again and Pakistani british muslims are given a break now these peado fk tards do this.

All of these s should be taken outside and shot, and if thats racist or not very pc then let me do it, im a british Pakistani muslim so surely i cant get in trouble for shoving a rocket launcher up there arse and shooting the fker so it comes out of there japs eye.

Going back to the arguments shown here, its not so much as a Pakistani thing, it all comes down to the way these guys are bought up, there parents have failed them. My parents always taught me to respect everyone, regardless whether that person was white yellow brown black blue or purple, regardless whether that person was male, female, she-he or he-she. Treat others as you wish to be treated. These s however are not like you and i or like 99% of other normal people. These are scum, bottom of the food chain and every community has them, every religion has them, and every country has them.

One of the terrestrial channels had a documentary a few months ago called groomed for sex and that was based in Rochdale, the chap hosting the show came to a conclusion that the people doing this came from uneducated, broken backgrounds. Also in his show it was very interesting to see that the type of behaviour was only taking part in certain areas across the uk. Its worth a watch, I remember starting a thread about it on here after the show.

Panda76

2,575 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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superkartracer said:
I can't find any stories of Asian gangs raping young Asian girls, why is this?
Because the Asian community largely relies on policing itself.
If Asian boys/men were going around the community raping young Asian girls it wouldn't be long until the girls family and extended family were out banging on said boys/mens doors armed with hammers knives and other assorted heavy blunt objects seeking justice.

With it being young white girls then it is ignored as young white girls are not part of the community.
Asian boys/men raping young white girls is wholly seen as a white problem to solve,not an asian one.

That right there is the truth.

There is examples of mass disorder in the local rag for the town not far from here as tho how the Asian/Muslim community heavily relies on policing itself.So much so a local Detective who is asian and lived in that community was sacked for getting involved in the "local" policing rather than doing actual policing.

I'd like to bring up examples to link to but the search on the local rag is spinning circle frustrating.

br d

8,403 posts

227 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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superkartracer said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
I hate the use of the word "Asian" - can we be accurate and specific please.

These men are Pakistani.
Agree sorry, Pakistani men even smile
I may be really poking a stick at the hornets nest here but something has always bothered me.

At the more irrational end of the islamic faith why would martyrs be promised 72 virgins?

As Billy Connolly rightfully pointed out most red blooded men would looking for an afterlife delight would prefer 2 fire-breathing wes.
I think it's not so much about sex as about possession.

Are these Pakistani men seeing these girls as merely something they can do as they please with without upsetting the big man in the sky?

Apologies for intransigence but the point somebody made earlier that asian girls would also be victims if they happened to be in children's homes is unmitigated horsest. The victims of these gangs are seen as worthless. This IS about religion.

I may regret saying that, but that's how it feels.

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197 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Panda76 said:
Because the Asian community largely relies on policing itself.
If Asian boys/men were going around the community raping young Asian girls it wouldn't be long until the girls family and extended family were out banging on said boys/mens doors armed with hammers knives and other assorted heavy blunt objects seeking justice.

With it being young white girls then it is ignored as young white girls are not part of the community.
Asian boys/men raping young white girls is wholly seen as a white problem to solve,not an asian one.

That right there is the truth.

There is examples of mass disorder in the local rag for the town not far from here as tho how the Asian/Muslim community heavily relies on policing itself.So much so a local Detective who is asian and lived in that community was sacked for getting involved in the "local" policing rather than doing actual policing.

I'd like to bring up examples to link to but the search on the local rag is spinning circle frustrating.
Not in my experience.

There might have been the asian community "moral" police a generation ago when the community relied on each other to a much larger degree but the younger generation don't really give a monkeys what the elders think (I suppose that could apply to all communities to some extent, not just asian/muslim).

Might seem hard to believe but the scum who get involved in this kind of thing know full well how loathsome it is and keep it within their circle of like-minded "friends". Its like saying the decent white people should automatically know who the white criminals/paedophiles are. Decent white people will not socialise knowingly with scum. And white scum will not discuss their crimes with decent white people. Its no different with any other community.

RZ1

4,335 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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br d said:
I may be really poking a stick at the hornets nest here but something has always bothered me.

At the more irrational end of the islamic faith why would martyrs be promised 72 virgins?

As Billy Connolly rightfully pointed out most red blooded men would looking for an afterlife delight would prefer 2 fire-breathing wes.
I think it's not so much about sex as about possession.

Are these Pakistani men seeing these girls as merely something they can do as they please with without upsetting the big man in the sky?

Apologies for intransigence but the point somebody made earlier that asian girls would also be victims if they happened to be in children's homes is unmitigated horsest. The victims of these gangs are seen as worthless. This IS about religion.

I may regret saying that, but that's how it feels.
Nothing to do with religion, the people doing this are scum and it just happens they are muslim on this occasion and the innocent victims are white.
I am pretty sure that these scum would not care whether the victim was white or not, to them its a quick easy shag

NISMOgtr

727 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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How the hell can it be about religion when the religion does not allow it?

They way they treat women may have something to do with the culture where women are seen as a lower than males, but it's definitely got nothing to do with their religion, despite what some ill-informed people here (Carmonkey) may say.

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Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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br d said:
I may be really poking a stick at the hornets nest here but something has always bothered me.

At the more irrational end of the islamic faith why would martyrs be promised 72 virgins?

As Billy Connolly rightfully pointed out most red blooded men would looking for an afterlife delight would prefer 2 fire-breathing wes.
I think it's not so much about sex as about possession.

Are these Pakistani men seeing these girls as merely something they can do as they please with without upsetting the big man in the sky?

Apologies for intransigence but the point somebody made earlier that asian girls would also be victims if they happened to be in children's homes is unmitigated horsest. The victims of these gangs are seen as worthless. This IS about religion.
So, for some "religious" reason they're raping young vulnerable white girls. Even though the same religion forbids sex outside of marriage, drugs, and alcohol.

We'll have to disagree on that one.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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kieranjholland said:
It's because the Muslamic Infidel has Interacial/Iraqi/Muslamic Law which condone Muslamic Ray Guns. Fact. This guy said so:



click image to see video

Edited by kieranjholland on Tuesday 21st February 22:26
fk me, that bloke's dynamite!!

We haven't really got much to worry about from the EDL or BNP if that's what the avergae member's like.

mattnunn

14,041 posts

162 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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I'm not buying this, sadism and paedophilia are specific, illegitimate, sexual persuasions...

People don't wander into these acts because they think they can get away with it or they've suffered a bit of poverty in their lives. That's ridiculous, i could get away with things but i don't do them.

It' true a lack of empathy for animals and humans can be conditioned by bad parenting and other factors but it's not unique to their culture by any means.

I suspect this network has been built up over years of like minded people getting to know each other and recruiting from their aquantances and friends.

Nowt at all to do with religion or culture.

carmonk

7,910 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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NISMOgtr said:
How the hell can it be about religion when the religion does not allow it?

They way they treat women may have something to do with the culture where women are seen as a lower than males, but it's definitely got nothing to do with their religion, despite what some ill-informed people here (Carmonkey) may say.
That you don't understand the link between religion and culture speaks volumes. I take it you're one of these who believes religion comes from the sky? No, it comes from people, specifically men, and those people used the culture and social constructs of the day on which to base their religious tenets, which subsequently shaped future culture. Does the traditional culture of Pakistanis conflict with Islam? No, and you know what, that's no coincidence. There can be little meaningful separation of culture and religion in a non-secular, strongly religious community.

And it's a good job I'm not brown or I'd be wailing that you calling me carmonkey was racist.

Panda76

2,575 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Countdown said:
Panda76 said:
Because the Asian community largely relies on policing itself.
If Asian boys/men were going around the community raping young Asian girls it wouldn't be long until the girls family and extended family were out banging on said boys/mens doors armed with hammers knives and other assorted heavy blunt objects seeking justice.

With it being young white girls then it is ignored as young white girls are not part of the community.
Asian boys/men raping young white girls is wholly seen as a white problem to solve,not an asian one.

That right there is the truth.

There is examples of mass disorder in the local rag for the town not far from here as tho how the Asian/Muslim community heavily relies on policing itself.So much so a local Detective who is asian and lived in that community was sacked for getting involved in the "local" policing rather than doing actual policing.

I'd like to bring up examples to link to but the search on the local rag is spinning circle frustrating.
Not in my experience.

There might have been the asian community "moral" police a generation ago when the community relied on each other to a much larger degree but the younger generation don't really give a monkeys what the elders think (I suppose that could apply to all communities to some extent, not just asian/muslim).

Might seem hard to believe but the scum who get involved in this kind of thing know full well how loathsome it is and keep it within their circle of like-minded "friends". Its like saying the decent white people should automatically know who the white criminals/paedophiles are. Decent white people will not socialise knowingly with scum. And white scum will not discuss their crimes with decent white people. Its no different with any other community.
Hmmmm I'm slightly 50/50 IME but in saying that I've not lived close to those areas and in that town for the best part of 10 years.Saying that even back then there was certain younger asian men who were out and about and ignoring the elders as you say.

Edit to add: A certain man high up in the mosque always said to get respect earn respect which is correct.
But then in the next breath talk about burning people out of their houses if they complained to him about certain disorder issues.Thats respect gone then lol
Go figure.

Edited by Panda76 on Wednesday 22 February 18:17

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Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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mattnunn said:
I'm not buying this, sadism and paedophilia are specific, illegitimate, sexual persuasions...

People don't wander into these acts because they think they can get away with it or they've suffered a bit of poverty in their lives. That's ridiculous, i could get away with things but i don't do them.

It' true a lack of empathy for animals and humans can be conditioned by bad parenting and other factors but it's not unique to their culture by any means.

I suspect this network has been built up over years of like minded people getting to know each other and recruiting from their aquantances and friends.

Nowt at all to do with religion or culture.
I don't think these tw@ts are specifically attracted top young children. I think the underage element is coincidental to the fact that these are the ONLY females these perverts have access to and are able to entice into sexual activity, either through the use of force or through drugs and alcohol.

However, hopefully, the paedophilia element will make their time in prison infinitely more interesting.

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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zcacogp said:
Two things to think about:

1 - These guys drive taxis and run kebab shops for a living. They are dimmer than 40watt light bulbs
2 - They have been caught. Successful criminals aren't


Oli.
Alternatively these are simply fronts for money laundering.

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39,994 posts

197 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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mattnunn said:
I'm not buying this, sadism and paedophilia are specific, illegitimate, sexual persuasions...

People don't wander into these acts because they think they can get away with it or they've suffered a bit of poverty in their lives. That's ridiculous, i could get away with things but i don't do them.

It' true a lack of empathy for animals and humans can be conditioned by bad parenting and other factors but it's not unique to their culture by any means.

I suspect this network has been built up over years of like minded people getting to know each other and recruiting from their aquantances and friends.

Nowt at all to do with religion or culture.
I don't think these tw@ts are specifically attracted top young children. I think the underage element is coincidental to the fact that these are the ONLY females these perverts have access to and are able to entice into sexual activity, either through the use of force or through drugs and alcohol.

However, hopefully, the paedophilia element will make their time in prison infinitely more interesting.

br d

8,403 posts

227 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Countdown said:
So, for some "religious" reason they're raping young vulnerable white girls. Even though the same religion forbids sex outside of marriage, drugs, and alcohol.

We'll have to disagree on that one.
Fair point CD. I said I may regret saying it not because I don't believe it to be true but because I do not wish to offend an entire faith.

However, if your point here is that all of the actions these scumbags are guilty of are outside of their religious codes then why are the victims also always outside of their religion?
I'm not for a minute suggesting they are doing this because of Islam but I do think these particular fkheads choose their victims because they see them as being safely outside of the influence of their religion.

I did not say Islam instructs these morons to do this but I do feel that their interpretation of their faith leads them to pick a particular group as their victims. Why else would these cases consistently have the same elements?




s1962a

5,363 posts

163 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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carmonk said:
NISMOgtr said:
How the hell can it be about religion when the religion does not allow it?

They way they treat women may have something to do with the culture where women are seen as a lower than males, but it's definitely got nothing to do with their religion, despite what some ill-informed people here (Carmonkey) may say.
That you don't understand the link between religion and culture speaks volumes. I take it you're one of these who believes religion comes from the sky? No, it comes from people, specifically men, and those people used the culture and social constructs of the day on which to base their religious tenets, which subsequently shaped future culture. Does the traditional culture of Pakistanis conflict with Islam? No, and you know what, that's no coincidence. There can be little meaningful separation of culture and religion in a non-secular, strongly religious community.

And it's a good job I'm not brown or I'd be wailing that you calling me carmonkey was racist.
If it's about religion, then how come I haven't met anyone with these views? I'd consider myself pretty normal, but yet haven't met anyone thats tried to pass me numbers of under age girls, or declared their intent to get these 72 virgins. Are they not including me on purpose, or could it be that these things are so rare (and localised) that your average Pakistani muslim just doesn't see them?

s1962a

5,363 posts

163 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Murcielago_Boy said:
I hate the use of the word "Asian" - can we be accurate and specific please.

These men are Pakistani.
I do agree with you, but also point out the that Southall gangs aren't far off, and they aren't Pakistani or Muslim - they are punjabi though, and usually immigrants in case that helps you narrow it down.

carmonk

7,910 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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s1962a said:
carmonk said:
NISMOgtr said:
How the hell can it be about religion when the religion does not allow it?

They way they treat women may have something to do with the culture where women are seen as a lower than males, but it's definitely got nothing to do with their religion, despite what some ill-informed people here (Carmonkey) may say.
That you don't understand the link between religion and culture speaks volumes. I take it you're one of these who believes religion comes from the sky? No, it comes from people, specifically men, and those people used the culture and social constructs of the day on which to base their religious tenets, which subsequently shaped future culture. Does the traditional culture of Pakistanis conflict with Islam? No, and you know what, that's no coincidence. There can be little meaningful separation of culture and religion in a non-secular, strongly religious community.

And it's a good job I'm not brown or I'd be wailing that you calling me carmonkey was racist.
If it's about religion, then how come I haven't met anyone with these views? I'd consider myself pretty normal, but yet haven't met anyone thats tried to pass me numbers of under age girls, or declared their intent to get these 72 virgins. Are they not including me on purpose, or could it be that these things are so rare (and localised) that your average Pakistani muslim just doesn't see them?
So we're back to the straw-man of saying every Muslim or every Pakistani is like this, which is clearly not the case. I can't comment on your situation but what I can comment on are the facts and what can be reasonably concluded from those facts. This type of crime is over-represented in Pakistani Muslim communities and it appears to be able to flourish because the affected communities either aren't being vigiliant, are in denial, don't care, condone it or a mixture of all four. Added to that there's the criminal negligence of the police in not doing their job and properly investigating allegations.

And I never said it's all about religion, which you would know if you'd read the post you just quoted.

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39,994 posts

197 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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br d said:
However, if your point here is that all of the actions these scumbags are guilty of are outside of their religious codes then why are the victims also always outside of their religion?
I'm not for a minute suggesting they are doing this because of Islam but I do think these particular fkheads choose their victims because they see them as being safely outside of the influence of their religion.
I honestly think religion plays no part in this. The reason the victims are from similar backgrounds (in my opinion) is because they are the easiest target for these predators. No mums and dads to look after them, overstretched LA foster homes, perhaps looking for "older father figures", somebody who professes to care for them? I don't know. However I've not come across any victims from more stable homes or any older, "maturer" victims.



Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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Countdown said:
br d said:
However, if your point here is that all of the actions these scumbags are guilty of are outside of their religious codes then why are the victims also always outside of their religion?
I'm not for a minute suggesting they are doing this because of Islam but I do think these particular fkheads choose their victims because they see them as being safely outside of the influence of their religion.
I honestly think religion plays no part in this. The reason the victims are from similar backgrounds (in my opinion) is because they are the easiest target for these predators. No mums and dads to look after them, overstretched LA foster homes, perhaps looking for "older father figures", somebody who professes to care for them? I don't know. However I've not come across any victims from more stable homes or any older, "maturer" victims.
Aye right.

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