Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?
Discussion
Countdown said:
I'm starting to reassess your reading skills. Or please point me to where I have suggested these grooming gangs weren't nominally muslim or of Pakistani origin.
Countdown said:
I'm not denying the problem (ie asian men grooming underage girls). What Im refuting is the suggestion that this has anything to do with Islam.
So, they are muslims, but nothing to do with Islam?Some gang members told the court the girls were willing participants, and happy having sex with the men. Their ring-leader, 59-year-old Shabir Ahmed, claimed the girls were "prostitutes" who had been running a "business empire" and it was all "white lies". He shouted in court, "Where are the white people? You have only got my kind here." Shabir Ahmed's threatening behaviour and calling Judge Gerald Clifton a "racist b
d" resulted in his being banned from the court for the sentencing hearing. The Judge described this outburst as "nonsense" and explained that their present predicament was due to their "lust and greed".Judge Clifton told the convicted gang members: "All of you treated your victims as though they were worthless and beyond any respect – they were not part of your community or religion."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_traffick...
Not part of your community or religion. Pretty clear to me.
That's it from me on this one - there's obviously no way that you can be persuaded that your "brothers" are in any way at fault. It's all the fault of the victims, obviously.
After all, Islam is the religion of peace, isn't it? Oh wait...
Jessicus said:
Countdown said:
I'm starting to reassess your reading skills. Or please point me to where I have suggested these grooming gangs weren't nominally muslim or of Pakistani origin.
Countdown said:
I'm not denying the problem (ie asian men grooming underage girls). What Im refuting is the suggestion that this has anything to do with Islam.
So, they are muslims, but nothing to do with Islam?Did you find any evidence to show that any of them had referred to "infidels teaching their daughters sex?"
Jessicus said:
That's it from me on this one - there's obviously no way that you can be persuaded that your "brothers" are in any way at fault. It's all the fault of the victims, obviously.
They're not my brothers, they are completely guilty, and it's completely their fault. I've said it numerous times. Go back through my postings and show me a single post where I've suggested otherwise. The only thing Is that for some reason you seem to be ABSOLUTELY determined to link this to Islam. Jessicus said:
After all, Islam is the religion of peace, isn't it? Oh wait...
Yes, alright then. Any crime committed by a muslim, no matter how trivial or serious, is because of Islam. If they're not Muslims then it's irrelevant. But if they're Muslim it's Islam that's to blame.Mermaid said:
The Pakistani community will not shop their own, fear of that may have made an impact.
Absolutely not true. I've stayed quiet on this topic but I did my part to help the police finding wanted men involved in this st.Ask DCI Ward (don't know if I should be brandishing his full name on the internet)of G.M.P how many Pakistanis were forthcoming and helping in the police investigation.
A lot of people on this thread have a view that Pakistani Muslims don't see this as an issue etc, but the reality is we condone this just as much as anybody else. In fact we are more concerned by this because these people are so called "Muslims". Just because these men call themselves Muslims, doesn't mean that this is what Islam preaches.
Countdown- Some people just cant be convinced that some of us, as Muslims would prefer to live peacefully and decently in society. We are not out to gang rape people because they are different to us, and that our religion is racist and targets infidels and crap like that.
"A lot of people on this thread have a view that Pakistani Muslims don't see this as an issue"
We know that, it's patently obvious; but what about the British arm of the sect?
There is an English saying, I do hesitate to use this as some clown will misquote it here, however, in respect to these crimes, you are now collectively "tarred with the same brush" like it or not.
It is up to the British muslims to now prove that that this is not the case.
We know that, it's patently obvious; but what about the British arm of the sect?
There is an English saying, I do hesitate to use this as some clown will misquote it here, however, in respect to these crimes, you are now collectively "tarred with the same brush" like it or not.
It is up to the British muslims to now prove that that this is not the case.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 13th October 08:09
MK Ultra said:
Absolutely not true. I've stayed quiet on this topic but I did my part to help the police finding wanted men involved in this st.
Ask DCI Ward (don't know if I should be brandishing his full name on the internet)of G.M.P how many Pakistanis were forthcoming and helping in the police investigation.
A lot of people on this thread have a view that Pakistani Muslims don't see this as an issue etc, but the reality is we condone this just as much as anybody else. In fact we are more concerned by this because these people are so called "Muslims". Just because these men call themselves Muslims, doesn't mean that this is what Islam preaches.
And that is exactly what I have been saying - decent Pakistani Muslims have the most to lose from the activities of the rotten fringe, for as you peel the onion, what you get inside is so much different.t.Ask DCI Ward (don't know if I should be brandishing his full name on the internet)of G.M.P how many Pakistanis were forthcoming and helping in the police investigation.
A lot of people on this thread have a view that Pakistani Muslims don't see this as an issue etc, but the reality is we condone this just as much as anybody else. In fact we are more concerned by this because these people are so called "Muslims". Just because these men call themselves Muslims, doesn't mean that this is what Islam preaches.
Top marks to you & others who have helped inquiries, takes courage. But really needs to be done on a wider scale to help improve the image of that community.
Guam said:
I have to concur with you and countdown on this, its like saying that Jimmy Saville committed child abuse because he was catholic or that being a catholic priest in and of itself makes you more prone to kiddy fiddling, or that Catholicism approves of peadophillia?
Cheers
How about JS did what he did because he could , religion plays no part in both cases.Cheers
Mojocvh said:
"A lot of people on this thread have a view that Pakistani Muslims don't see this as an issue"
We know that, it's patently obvious; but what about the British arm of the sect?
There is an English saying, I do hesitate to use this as some clown will misquote it here, however, in respect to these crimes, you are now collectively "tarred with the same brush" like it or not.
It is up to the British muslims to now prove that that this is not the case.
It's a shame you're saying that British Muslims now have to prove they're not the same as those convicted.We know that, it's patently obvious; but what about the British arm of the sect?
There is an English saying, I do hesitate to use this as some clown will misquote it here, however, in respect to these crimes, you are now collectively "tarred with the same brush" like it or not.
It is up to the British muslims to now prove that that this is not the case.
How about, instead, putting pressure on the media to have balanced reporting. It's rare you see positive news in the press about Muslims, and yet I've no doubt they do good things for charity and help others etc.
Imagine if the only press white christians got was BNP rallies or the anti globalisation rallies where they wreck everything, that wouldn't paint them in a good light.
Sadly the media concentrate on the tiny, but very vocal minority, and then they all get tarred with the same brush by the ignorant.
latest cases
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
rover 623gsi said:
latest cases
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
Pakistani origin?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
Mermaid said:
rover 623gsi said:
latest cases
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
Pakistani origin?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...
Nine men have been charged with sexual offences against a single teenage girl in Rochdale.
The men, aged between 26 and 39, were arrested in May as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005.
All of the accused, apart from two, will appear in a series of separate hearings from 7 November to 6 December at Bury Magistrates' Court.
The men have all been remanded on bail, Greater Manchester Police said
Rochdale Sex Abuse: Nine Men Charged
News > National
8:04pm 23rd October 2012.
Nine men from Rochdale have been charged following an investigation into child sexual exploitation.
The charges relate to offences committed separately against one teenage girl in the Rochdale area by different men between 2008 and 2009.
Greater Manchester Police say the victim was traced as part of a separate investigation which resulted in nine men being jailed in May for running a child exploitation ring in the Heywood area of Rochdale.
Their trial at Liverpool Crown Court heard the group had plied their vulnerable underage victims with alcohol and drugs and passed them around for sex.
The police say this latest investigation, which has led to nine other men being charged, is different in nature as there are no allegations of trafficking.
Freddy Kendakumana, 26, has been charged with three counts of rape, attempted rape and four counts of sexual activity with a child under 16.
Roheez Khan, 26, has been charged with ten counts of sexual activity with a child under 16. Chola Chansa, 32, has been charged with two counts of sexual activity with a child under 16.
Ali Asghar Hussain Shah, 39, Anjam Masood, 30, Mohammed Rafiq, 31, and Asrar Haider, 38 have all been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Abdul Huk, 36, and Mohammed Ali, 27, have been charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
All the men have been bailed and will appear before Bury Magistrates Court on various dates between November and December.
http://www.yorkshirecoastradio.com/news/national/7...
News > National
8:04pm 23rd October 2012.
Nine men from Rochdale have been charged following an investigation into child sexual exploitation.
The charges relate to offences committed separately against one teenage girl in the Rochdale area by different men between 2008 and 2009.
Greater Manchester Police say the victim was traced as part of a separate investigation which resulted in nine men being jailed in May for running a child exploitation ring in the Heywood area of Rochdale.
Their trial at Liverpool Crown Court heard the group had plied their vulnerable underage victims with alcohol and drugs and passed them around for sex.
The police say this latest investigation, which has led to nine other men being charged, is different in nature as there are no allegations of trafficking.
Freddy Kendakumana, 26, has been charged with three counts of rape, attempted rape and four counts of sexual activity with a child under 16.
Roheez Khan, 26, has been charged with ten counts of sexual activity with a child under 16. Chola Chansa, 32, has been charged with two counts of sexual activity with a child under 16.
Ali Asghar Hussain Shah, 39, Anjam Masood, 30, Mohammed Rafiq, 31, and Asrar Haider, 38 have all been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Abdul Huk, 36, and Mohammed Ali, 27, have been charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
All the men have been bailed and will appear before Bury Magistrates Court on various dates between November and December.
http://www.yorkshirecoastradio.com/news/national/7...
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