Christopher Tappin

[xe mini]

Who sold Iran the Hawk missile systems, oh that will be these evil bad guys.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a6_1181429741

[s1962a]

miniman said:

BBC said:

Last week the European Court of Human Rights refused to intervene in his case.

No of course they didn't, they were too busy intervening to stop Abu Qatada being slung out of the country.

This one puzzles me as well. Unless the evidence against Tappin in clear cut and they can talk about it, vs secret evidence that may or may not against Qatada, and can't be disclosed.

[Deva Link]

s1962a said:

This one puzzles me as well.

I guess basically it's simply that he would be expected to get a fair trial in the US, whereas Abu Qatada isn't expected to get one in Jordan.

[hairykrishna]

Deva Link said:

It's very difficult to get to the bottom of this case, but if the suggestions of the amounts of money involved are true then he must have realised it was a bit dodgy.

How much money? The only thing I've read suggested he was only making a few hundred dollars.

[Deva Link]

hairykrishna said:

How much money? The only thing I've read suggested he was only making a few hundred dollars.

I've seen that, but elsewhere I've seen $5000 per battery, and I've seen a sum of $67000 mentioned too.

[AndyACB]

One of the Nat West 3 was on LBC radio this afternoon describing what Christopher Tappin was likely to experience.

He'll be strip searched then placed in a holding cell with up to 20 others until Monday when his bail hearing will commence.

As he has no ties with the local community he will not get bail.

He'll then be transferred to jail to await his trial. As a foreign national he is not allowed in their equivalent of an open jail and will instead end up in one of two medium/high security prisons in Texas close to the Mexican border.

The Nat West chap described his experience as "like being in a Louis Theraux documentary" locked inside a dorm type cell with 30 other mostly hispanic inmates.

Sounds horrendous considering the guy will end up somewhere like that when he is just awaiting trial.

[Halb]

Esseesse said:

Farage mentioned this about a month ago.

OP probably couldn't fine his thread.



When will this treaty be ripped up? Has anyone started one of those poll things for number 10? Wouldn't this get the required votes?

[Oakey]

http://friends-extradited.org/citizens/christopher...

Site said:

It is uncontested that Mr Tappin's 'crime' was procured by agents of the US Government, who regularly set up fictitious companies to lure foreign businessmen into committing crimes, and then seek to extradite them.

Which is also exactly what they did recently with Google and Adwords.

Edited by Oakey on Friday 24th February 18:51

[hairykrishna]

Deva Link said:

hairykrishna said:

How much money? The only thing I've read suggested he was only making a few hundred dollars.

I've seen that, but elsewhere I've seen $5000 per battery, and I've seen a sum of $67000 mentioned too.

Had a search and now, how I read it ( http://politics.infodox.net/article/10881-briton-w... ), the batteries were costing 5k each and his profit was only $500. Seems very dodgy though.

[audidoody]

Mr_B said:

It was the NatWest Three that makes me think twice in these cases. They were all over the TV trying to get public support and feeding the line that their country and sold them out and they were totally innocent. There was something really quite nasty about they way they tried to con the public as well and stir up some kinda Britain Vs America effect. They had some sympathy, right up until the point they pleaded guilty.

Of course they pleaded guilty. So would you if faced with the choice of 30 months or 30 years.

[Halb]

One the One Show now.

[Mr_B]

audidoody said:

Of course they pleaded guilty. So would you if faced with the choice of 30 months or 30 years.

Yes, I probably would if I were guilty.

[Mojooo]

Have you read the Court od Appeal judgement? It paints quite a different picture. Though it didn't mention his job was as an international freight person.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/22....

[Mojocvh]

carmonk said:

mdavids said:

So we now have:

Christopher Taphin
The natwest three http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Three
Gary McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
Richard O Dwyer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O%27Dwyer

All subject to unbelievably draconian extradition policies. We can't even extradite genuine terrorists for fear of harming their human rights yet these relatively harmless cases have to face an inhuman U.S. prison system.

It's an absolute disgrace.

They explained on the news that not only would he be held in prison, he'd be held in general population in a US high security prison, which is the most hostile environment you could imagine. He is being extradited without any chance to see or contest the evidence, too.

So foreign murderers, rapists and terrorists are routinely allowed to stay in this country yet innocent UK citizens are shipped off without even a second thought.

There's a pecking order in this country, with foreign criminals and scrouging immigrants at the top and decent UK-born citizens at the bottom. fking putrid.

So best we all toe the line Bro'

[AndyACB]

Mojooo said:

Have you read the Court od Appeal judgement? It paints quite a different picture. Though it didn't mention his job was as an international freight person.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/22....

Looks like he's screwed already reading that lot. That is of course if the US agent's statements are truthful and honest.

He'd better have a good lawyer and plead guilty.

[Mojooo]

They appear to have a lot of voice recordings, so there will possibly be little room for odubt.

[Hilts]

I think about 90% of the people indicted on federal charges take a deal, of the rest that go to trial the govt. win something like 70% of their cases.

There's sometimes such a big discrepancy between the plea time and what the judge is likely to give you after being found guilty that you'd be mad to go to trial.

I think this is one of those cases, I reckon they'll offer him 2 years with the option of a speedy treaty transfer.

[TheHeretic]

With such a differential, it makes you wonder if they are interested in justice, or a conviction.

[thinfourth2]

TheHeretic said:

With such a differential, it makes you wonder if they are interested in justice, or a conviction.

The worse crime you can do is to challenge the state

[fluffnik]

We should not be deporting any citizens to the USA ever.

The USA's "justice" system will beggar anyone who tries to defend themselves even successfully and uses ludicrous potential sentences to bully people people into plea bargains.

It also tortures and entraps.

Tell your MP of your displeasure...