Christopher Tappin
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Other media stories claim that he won't be granted bail because, as a foreigner, he is deemed automatically to be a flight risk.
Whatever, this extradition 'treaty' was put in place post 9/11 as part of the "war on terror", not the war on white-collar crime (for which most politicians both side of the Pond would qualify).
ETA: I have written to my MP.
http://www.writetothem.com/
Dear
I am writing to request you to support the call for a full debate in the House of Commons on the issue of our extradition laws, and in particular the case of Christopher Tappin. Mr Tappin should be put on trial in the UK rather than be extradited to the US.
Like other British citizens such as Gary McKinnon and Richard O’Dwyer, all the criminal conduct Mr. Tappin is accused of committing is said to have taken place outside the US. If there is enough evidence to extradite him to the US, there should be enough evidence to prosecute him in the country in which he was born, lived, worked and remained when allegedly carrying out the conduct complained of in the US indictment against him.
Why then should another country affect the life and liberty and the sovereignty and integrity of our criminal justice system be in this way?
As a constituent of yours, I would like you to
Make representations for the matter to be subjected to a full debate in the main Chamber of the House of Commons with a vote.
I request that you respond to me with a copy of any correspondence or representations that you make regarding this matter.
Yours sincerely,
Whatever, this extradition 'treaty' was put in place post 9/11 as part of the "war on terror", not the war on white-collar crime (for which most politicians both side of the Pond would qualify).
ETA: I have written to my MP.
http://www.writetothem.com/
Dear
I am writing to request you to support the call for a full debate in the House of Commons on the issue of our extradition laws, and in particular the case of Christopher Tappin. Mr Tappin should be put on trial in the UK rather than be extradited to the US.
Like other British citizens such as Gary McKinnon and Richard O’Dwyer, all the criminal conduct Mr. Tappin is accused of committing is said to have taken place outside the US. If there is enough evidence to extradite him to the US, there should be enough evidence to prosecute him in the country in which he was born, lived, worked and remained when allegedly carrying out the conduct complained of in the US indictment against him.
Why then should another country affect the life and liberty and the sovereignty and integrity of our criminal justice system be in this way?
As a constituent of yours, I would like you to
Make representations for the matter to be subjected to a full debate in the main Chamber of the House of Commons with a vote.
I request that you respond to me with a copy of any correspondence or representations that you make regarding this matter.
Yours sincerely,
Edited by audidoody on Saturday 25th February 15:26
MX7 said:
AJS- said:
he is not accused of any crime in the UK, or even anything that is illegal in the UK.
We have a dual criminality treaty. We can not extradite if someone hasn't broken UK law.fluffnik said:
We should not be deporting any citizens to the USA ever.
The USA's "justice" system will beggar anyone who tries to defend themselves even successfully and uses ludicrous potential sentences to bully people people into plea bargains.
It also tortures and entraps.
Tell your MP of your displeasure...
This. what a fThe USA's "justice" system will beggar anyone who tries to defend themselves even successfully and uses ludicrous potential sentences to bully people people into plea bargains.
It also tortures and entraps.
Tell your MP of your displeasure...
ked up place we live in.The gist I get is that it is illegal to ship these parts/batteries to Iran in the US and that they entrapped him by using him to take some batteries and be part of the movement of them to Iran by doing the leg to Holland?
I gather that it's also illegal to do this in the UK. We should be looking to extradite those in the USA who were involved to face trial here... after all they were looking to send batteries to Iran.
I gather that it's also illegal to do this in the UK. We should be looking to extradite those in the USA who were involved to face trial here... after all they were looking to send batteries to Iran.
MX7 said:
AJS- said:
he is not accused of any crime in the UK, or even anything that is illegal in the UK.
We have a dual criminality treaty. We can not extradite if someone hasn't broken UK law.Esseesse said:
The gist I get is that it is illegal to ship these parts/batteries to Iran in the US and that they entrapped him by using him to take some batteries and be part of the movement of them to Iran by doing the leg to Holland?
I gather that it's also illegal to do this in the UK. We should be looking to extradite those in the USA who were involved to face trial here... after all they were looking to send batteries to Iran.
I don't think that's right. He was trying to buy the batteries (for use in the Hawk system thingy) and he contacted the company as a potential supplier, not realising they were a front set-up by the US Govt. And he said it was going to be a recurring order of 35 * $5k. He was shipping via Netherlands to avoid the sanctions. I gather that it's also illegal to do this in the UK. We should be looking to extradite those in the USA who were involved to face trial here... after all they were looking to send batteries to Iran.
Given that Iran is a sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East, it seems reasonable for the US to try to prevent its military hardware finding its way over there.
Oilchange said:
I thought they said that as a foreign national he won't be eligible for bail?
I think he'll get some sort of conditional bail this week. He self-surrendered to the Marshals and there's a precedent set with the Natwest guys who got bail in the same state.
He might be better off declining the bail as long as he's not stuck in a county jail. Every day will count as time served and he would get home sooner.
All depends on whether he wants to go to trial or not, easier to prepare for a case if you're not in prison.
AJS- said:
MX7 said:
AJS- said:
he is not accused of any crime in the UK, or even anything that is illegal in the UK.
We have a dual criminality treaty. We can not extradite if someone hasn't broken UK law.Mojooo said:
AJS- said:
So if he is accused of breaking a UK law and we feel we have enough evidence to secure a conviction why is he, as a UK citizen accused of breaking UK laws, in the UK, not being tried here in the UK?
Do *WE* have the evidence though?TheHeretic said:
Even the sponsor of terrorism is a dubious definition. Most nations have supported other 'forces' as proxies. The Mujeheddin, the contras, even backing Saddam whilst he was at his nastiest.
Not that dubious. Hezbollah is deemed a terrorist organisation by our government and the US. Amateurish said:
Not that dubious. Hezbollah is deemed a terrorist organisation by our government and the US.
How convenient. Only 8 nations have listed them as such. Thelist of countries who do not is quite large. You know they were established after the IsrEli invasion of the Lebanon. So, it is the old 'freedom fighter/terrorist conundrum'. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff