Libya- 'rebels' show their gratitude

Libya- 'rebels' show their gratitude

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Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Frankeh said:
Google search that took 10 seconds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-mem...

Totally comparable and I bet there's many more examples but I'm not going to waste any more of my time looking them up.

To reiterate, every country has s including our own. Just ignore them.
You made the comparison than and EDL march was the same thing. Expressing your opinion in a mrach isn't the same and smashing up a grave yard.
I made the point that this is all because of a book being burnt as being like for like, would burning a dictionary get the same reaction for anyone in this country ? No, it wouldn't.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

184 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Mr_B said:
Frankeh said:
Google search that took 10 seconds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-mem...

Totally comparable and I bet there's many more examples but I'm not going to waste any more of my time looking them up.

To reiterate, every country has s including our own. Just ignore them.
You made the comparison than and EDL march was the same thing. Expressing your opinion in a mrach isn't the same and smashing up a grave yard.
I made the point that this is all because of a book being burnt as being like for like, would burning a dictionary get the same reaction for anyone in this country ? No, it wouldn't.
Oh whatever, I'm not going to bother arguing this because my point wasn't even specifically about the EDL. I just used them as an example.
The point was that every country has its undesirable citizens and if you judge a whole country on them then more fool you.

jayb289

124 posts

155 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Frankeh said:
Oh whatever, I'm not going to bother arguing this because my point wasn't even specifically about the EDL. I just used them as an example.
The point was that every country has its undesirable citizens and if you judge a whole country on them then more fool you.
how dare you come on here and try use common sense, hang your head in shame!
who can forget these lovely people >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1306128/We...


AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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Rude-boy said:
bobbylondonuk said:
Some people on this planet require an iron fist to keep them in check. It is just a fact of life. Pretending otherwise is not going to do us or them any favours.
Equally the reverse is true, just look at how feckless and 'lost' many of our own countrymen and women are without the firm hand of state control to guide, cajole and, if required, force them to become useful members of society.
In what sense is the lack of state control to blame for any of these problems? These people have lived in a totalitarian state for half a century. Most of the people who smashed the graves have probably never even lived under any form of democratic government, and lo, the moment the controls fall they descend back into savagery.

The more civilised places aren't so because they have a totalitarian state, or because the people there are more civilised by nature. It's the authoritarian stranglehold that causes the problems in any area, or at any time, when it is released. State control is the problem, not the answer.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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There was an interesting interview on radio 4 yesterday.

apparently 2 journolists have been taken prisoner by a warlord of a particular town.

R4 was speaking to a transistional government spokesperson.

the warlord runs the town and does not take orders from the government.

when asked why this was the spokeperson says why should he? he wouldnt listen to the government if he had proof of a spy.

when asked if he had seen the proof he said he didnt need to the warlord was a fighter for lybia and therefor an honest man looking after the country.

of course the torture and extra judicial murders he is alledgedly doing to people he thinks are gadafi supporters is probably also fine.

mental. we should not get involved in anything in these backward countries.

Jandywa

1,058 posts

150 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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cazzer said:
They really are a bunch of fking savages the lot of em.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

146 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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Yet again the actions of a few taint opinions of an entire religion. It is disgraceful what has happened, but lets not forget this is condemed by the vast majority or christians, muslims, hindus and atheists alike. Every society and religion has dheads its a fact of life.

RichyBoy

3,739 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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What is wrong with taint opinions of an entire religion when you have to cherry pick the good bits from it's entire texts?


Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

146 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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Why should you make an opinion of an entire group of millions and millions of people because of the actions of a few. The vast majority of libyans and muslims would never dream of doing what a small group of people have done. My point I am trying to make is that in every sector of society there will be an utter like these people who vandalised the war graves.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

184 months

Tuesday 6th March 2012
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Jamie VTS said:
Why should you make an opinion of an entire group of millions and millions of people because of the actions of a few. The vast majority of libyans and muslims would never dream of doing what a small group of people have done. My point I am trying to make is that in every sector of society there will be an utter like these people who vandalised the war graves.
Because xenophobia, that's why.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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All going swimmingly well in Libya................................not.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/uk-britai...

LostBMW

12,955 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Mermaid said:
All going swimmingly well in Libya................................not.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/uk-britai...
I thought about the PH threads when I heard this on the radio this afternoon.

A number of prescient posters did reflect on whether it would be wise for us to get involved in helping clear Gaddafi and similar 'leaders' out and if we'd see some gratitude and better relations from the liberated the west helped.

Answering that in spades at the moment aren't they?

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

156 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Mermaid said:
All going swimmingly well in Libya................................not.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/uk-britai...
You can offer an islamic country freedom from a repressive dictator and the opportunity for democracy but don't hold your breath for them having a clue what to do with it.

bobbylondonuk

2,197 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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A few us told a lot of you so!

Bill

52,408 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Caulkhead said:
You can offer an islamic country freedom from a repressive dictator and the opportunity for democracy but don't hold your breath for them having a clue what to do with it.
Hmmm. You can certainly be sure a small bunch of extremists will try to fk things up, but I'm not sure we should be writing off the entire country.

LostBMW

12,955 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Bill said:
Caulkhead said:
You can offer an islamic country freedom from a repressive dictator and the opportunity for democracy but don't hold your breath for them having a clue what to do with it.
Hmmm. You can certainly be sure a small bunch of extremists will try to fk things up, but I'm not sure we should be writing off the entire country.
I would...

Bill

52,408 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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On what basis? Fear of the unknown, or some sort of insight?

LostBMW

12,955 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Bill said:
On what basis? Fear of the unknown, or some sort of insight?
Insight. Yes, that.

Bill

52,408 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Care to share it?

LostBMW

12,955 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Bill said:
Care to share it?
It's already so 'out there' and obvious I should hardly need to, surely?