Private Policeforces!
Discussion
This is not good news and particularly well thought out. As others have alluded to, corporate greed should NEVER be allowed to interfere with law and order.
I am quite sure the bean counters have efficiency savings in mind, although given the hoops the police have to jump through to get their work done today, one does wonder how a civilian worker is going to do any better or make it any more efficient.
I am sat here just taking a few moments to consider how this system could be abused, and one suspects the main abusers of the system will be the higher echelons of the security service. You have a neighbour, you don’t like, easy get the lads to keep the pressure on, and “massage” the paperwork at the corporate end. No doubt there will be the usual platitudes about systems are in place, checks and balances are being created, but you only have to look at how some of these sectors have behaved since privatisation to know this isn’t going to end well.
I think one of the main drivers behind this is to reduce the pension pot exposure by making the employees private and transferring it into the efficient and thoroughly trustworthy hands of the city.
Which Rothschild was it?
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836)
"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire ...
The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."
I am quite sure the bean counters have efficiency savings in mind, although given the hoops the police have to jump through to get their work done today, one does wonder how a civilian worker is going to do any better or make it any more efficient.
I am sat here just taking a few moments to consider how this system could be abused, and one suspects the main abusers of the system will be the higher echelons of the security service. You have a neighbour, you don’t like, easy get the lads to keep the pressure on, and “massage” the paperwork at the corporate end. No doubt there will be the usual platitudes about systems are in place, checks and balances are being created, but you only have to look at how some of these sectors have behaved since privatisation to know this isn’t going to end well.
I think one of the main drivers behind this is to reduce the pension pot exposure by making the employees private and transferring it into the efficient and thoroughly trustworthy hands of the city.
Which Rothschild was it?
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836)
"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire ...
The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."
mph1977 said:
'detaining suspects' - note NOT arresting or transporting, i.e. what PCSOs and 'store detectives' / Security personnel do all ready
'responding to and investigating incidents' - PCSOs activity again
'managing engagement with the public' - all the fluffy hand holding 'community enegagement ' stuff that really is of no consequence, like PCSOs going to parish council meetings to make placatory noises about Dog poo , litter and low level ASB
Just because the job description changes does not mean the function is different. detaining suspects is arresting them.'responding to and investigating incidents' - PCSOs activity again
'managing engagement with the public' - all the fluffy hand holding 'community enegagement ' stuff that really is of no consequence, like PCSOs going to parish council meetings to make placatory noises about Dog poo , litter and low level ASB
PCSOs arrest suspects. Detaining them is what arresting is in the main. Police arrest in order to detain for questioning and documentation.
Responding to and investigating incidents is the historic, and vital, function of the uniform bobby.
The imposition of PCSOs was, many suggested, the first step to privetising the police service.
If we privetise patrols and response then there is little need for warrant holders. CID can, by and large, operate without warrant cards. Entry to premises, powers of arrest, that sort of thing, can be incident specific.
We'll end up with various uniformed private police forces. It is a very worrying trend. Private officers can be ordered to ignore A whilst concentrating on B.
One thing about the police was that they responded to the crown. Governments didn't control them. With the imposition of a new style chief constable the police were already headed towards political control.
The police used to pick their own targets. I remember enquiries into local government 'upsetting' local politicians. They could, in those days, be told to keep their nose out of it. How long before that sort of thing is in the past?
There will be no defence against the demand for privatge police. With 20%+ cuts across the board, with limited ability to save money in some aspects, police performance will drop dramatically. Cameron, for what many say are his own reasons, will remodel the service.
vonuber said:
I'm just a simple soul, can someone please tell me how this will actually save money?
Because someone said we will be 50% cheaper, they will then more than double their cost so it works out more expensive but the public can do nothing about it. Someone will get rich though, the private company owners, as well as the mate in government who got them the contract.
Think of the sponsorship opps with the uniforms and cars. They could look like F1 drivers or pro footballers.No more unmarked cars.
"Evening,Sir, this traffic stop is brought to you by Tesco,so you get 100 free shopping points with the ticket"
You could have ASBO by Asda and so on. Cutting costs while the BiB woulc look like Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat.
"Evening,Sir, this traffic stop is brought to you by Tesco,so you get 100 free shopping points with the ticket"
You could have ASBO by Asda and so on. Cutting costs while the BiB woulc look like Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat.
Just wait til they give them speed camera duties - you will the day you wish the public sector was a 'efficient' as the private sector!
I believe the plan is for Councils to have to offer up all their services to private companies/community groups and if a case can be made to farm it out then it might well be - so for exmaple, parking enforcement could be handed out to a private company.
I believe the plan is for Councils to have to offer up all their services to private companies/community groups and if a case can be made to farm it out then it might well be - so for exmaple, parking enforcement could be handed out to a private company.
Halb said:
Chicken Chaser said:
Who arrests the private security company boss when they commit serious fraud? This idea has corruption written all over it.
Who arrests senior cops for covering up s
t and taking huge greasy wads of cash?
Derek Smith said:
mph1977 said:
'detaining suspects' - note NOT arresting or transporting, i.e. what PCSOs and 'store detectives' / Security personnel do all ready
'responding to and investigating incidents' - PCSOs activity again
'managing engagement with the public' - all the fluffy hand holding 'community enegagement ' stuff that really is of no consequence, like PCSOs going to parish council meetings to make placatory noises about Dog poo , litter and low level ASB
Just because the job description changes does not mean the function is different. detaining suspects is arresting them.'responding to and investigating incidents' - PCSOs activity again
'managing engagement with the public' - all the fluffy hand holding 'community enegagement ' stuff that really is of no consequence, like PCSOs going to parish council meetings to make placatory noises about Dog poo , litter and low level ASB
PCSOs arrest suspects. Detaining them is what arresting is in the main. Police arrest in order to detain for questioning and documentation.
Responding to and investigating incidents is the historic, and vital, function of the uniform bobby.
The imposition of PCSOs was, many suggested, the first step to privetising the police service.
If we privetise patrols and response then there is little need for warrant holders. CID can, by and large, operate without warrant cards. Entry to premises, powers of arrest, that sort of thing, can be incident specific.
We'll end up with various uniformed private police forces. It is a very worrying trend. Private officers can be ordered to ignore A whilst concentrating on B.
One thing about the police was that they responded to the crown. Governments didn't control them. With the imposition of a new style chief constable the police were already headed towards political control.
The police used to pick their own targets. I remember enquiries into local government 'upsetting' local politicians. They could, in those days, be told to keep their nose out of it. How long before that sort of thing is in the past?
There will be no defence against the demand for privatge police. With 20%+ cuts across the board, with limited ability to save money in some aspects, police performance will drop dramatically. Cameron, for what many say are his own reasons, will remodel the service.
This sounds extremely worrying.
Where the hell are we headed or can I guess?
Looks like the slippery slide is covered in axle grease and there will be no way of stopping it.
This country is changing before our ruddy eyes, yet the things we hoped would change are remaining intact.
Cameron is beginning to give me images of Bliar.
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