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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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JonRB said: Jesus Christ man, you really don't read & comprehend anything anyone has written here have you? Have you even read Kmoosa's post? I don't just mean skim read to pick out a key phrase you can retort on but actually read and comprehended? You just seem to have your hands over your ears going "la la la la la la la la la la" I'm all for a good debate, but you're like a child who replies to every explanation a parent makes with "why?" or "but I want it". Completely ignoring what has been said. Anyway enjoy your "sanctity of discrimination", you bigot.  Amazing Jon. The lalalala brigade is yourselves. Not one pro person has explained a good reason yet for gays to be incorporated into the term marriage rather than they just want to. It infers no additional rights and the only positive that can be seen is that they want it to be the same despite the fundamental difference between the relationships. In terms of children growing up I would say the gay crowd need to, and accept that their relationships are different in the same way a black man will always be a black man. That doesn't mean it is right to discriminate against them it is just a fact of life. As for bigot as you know I have avoided all forms of name calling here but in terms of stubbornness obviously by definition, if we disagree, the same can be angled at you but we'll leave it there. :no smiley appropriate:
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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MOTORVATOR said: Amazing Jon. The lalalala brigade is yourselves. Not one pro person has explained a good reason yet for gays to be incorporated into the term marriage rather than they just want to.
It infers no additional rights and the only positive that can be seen is that they want it to be the same despite the fundamental difference between the relationships.
In terms of children growing up I would say the gay crowd need to, and accept that their relationships are different in the same way a black man will always be a black man. That doesn't mean it is right to discriminate against them it is just a fact of life.
As for bigot as you know I have avoided all forms of name calling here but in terms of stubbornness obviously by definition, if we disagree, the same can be angled at you but we'll leave it there. :no smiley appropriate: Other than the mechanical details, what's the substantive difference between a homosexual relationship and a heterosexual one?
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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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CommanderJameson said: Other than the mechanical details, what's the substantive difference between a homosexual relationship and a heterosexual one? I think the differences between male and female go a lot further than just mechanical but the obvious main one here is the desires relating to procreation. Now before we get the I hate children brigade chime in, just because you don't desire offspring yourself doesn't mean it is the norm.
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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MOTORVATOR said: CommanderJameson said: Other than the mechanical details, what's the substantive difference between a homosexual relationship and a heterosexual one? I think the differences between male and female go a lot further than just mechanical but the obvious main one here is the desires relating to procreation. Now before we get the I hate children brigade chime in, just because you don't desire offspring yourself doesn't mean it is the norm. Plenty of gay people have children, you know. Just because you don't like f  king people of the opposite gender doesn't mean you don't want children.
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Hugo a Gogo
15,395 posts
103 months
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so you don't think non-procreative marriage should be allowed?
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JonRB
39,961 posts
142 months
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MOTORVATOR said: Not one pro person has explained a good reason yet for gays to be incorporated into the term marriage rather than they just want to. Read Kmoosa's post. Just actually read it. MOTORVATOR said: As for bigot as you know I have avoided all forms of name calling here but in terms of stubbornness obviously by definition, if we disagree, the same can be angled at you but we'll leave it there. :no smiley appropriate: Mate, you referred to everyone but you and Sticks as "muppets". I considered that the gloves had come off then. You're a bigot. I'm a muppet. I know which I'd rather be.
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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MOTORVATOR said: I think the differences between male and female go a lot further than just mechanical but the obvious main one here is the desires relating to procreation. Now before we get the I hate children brigade chime in, just because you don't desire offspring yourself doesn't mean it is the norm. It may well not be, but you then have to ask "should infertile couples be stopped from marrying, and make them have civil ceremonies"?
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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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CommanderJameson said: Plenty of gay people have children, you know. Just because you don't like f king people of the opposite gender doesn't mean you don't want children. Well that's a whole different level. I made clear earlier what my opinions on adoption were and luckily we still have the sense to disallow production of children by other means than procreation although I suppose we could redefine that too as it is clearly discriminatory. 
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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MOTORVATOR said: CommanderJameson said: Plenty of gay people have children, you know. Just because you don't like f king people of the opposite gender doesn't mean you don't want children. Well that's a whole different level. I made clear earlier what my opinions on adoption were and luckily we still have the sense to disallow production of children by other means than procreation although I suppose we could redefine that too as it is clearly discriminatory. Who mentioned adoption? Not me.
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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CommanderJameson said: Who mentioned adoption?
Not me.  Homosexuals can adopt regardless of marriage. It has nothing to do with it.
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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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JonRB said: Mate, you referred to everyone but you and Sticks as "muppets". I considered that the gloves had come off then.
You're a bigot. I'm a muppet. I know which I'd rather be. Hands up, that's a fair call. Out of interest which one are you? 
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djstevec
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44 months
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TheHeretic said: CommanderJameson said: Who mentioned adoption?
Not me. Homosexuals can adopt regardless of marriage. It has nothing to do with it. Homosexuals can also artificially inseminate a lesbian...no heteros needed. Blows your mind eh?
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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TheHeretic said: CommanderJameson said: Who mentioned adoption?
Not me. Homosexuals can adopt regardless of marriage. It has nothing to do with it. They can also have children via the usual methods. Just because they aren't actually attracted to a particular gender doesn't mean they can't temporarily get over it for the sake of reproduction.
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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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CommanderJameson said: MOTORVATOR said: CommanderJameson said: Plenty of gay people have children, you know. Just because you don't like f king people of the opposite gender doesn't mean you don't want children. Well that's a whole different level. I made clear earlier what my opinions on adoption were and luckily we still have the sense to disallow production of children by other means than procreation although I suppose we could redefine that too as it is clearly discriminatory. Who mentioned adoption? Not me. Ah well if you are talking surrogacy I don't agree with that either. As for don't like f king people of the opposite sex and still want children, I like money but don't like working for it so you should legislate for that.
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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MOTORVATOR said: Ah well if you are talking surrogacy I don't agree with that either. As for don't like f king people of the opposite sex and still want children, I like money but don't like working for it so you should legislate for that. Children as payment for sex. Interesting viewpoint.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,328 posts
20 months
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It's very worrying t.b.h., this preoccupation with other people's sex lives. All this talk about the desire for procration, sexual bindings, etc etc.
Thousands of elderly people get married every year who are too old for children. They might even be too old for sex, or maybe not. It's none of my business. I would guess some young people get married and never consumate their marriage. It must happen. Other straight couples have sexual relationship that consists of forms of sex other than vaginal. All this must go on behind closed doors and none of it is my concern. Why are some people on here so interested in the intricate details of other peoples sexual habits.
I just don't care. If 2 consenting adults love each other and wish to marry, let them. Their sexual preferences neither enhance or detract from my marriage.
Why is anyone bothered? Like I said in an early post, it's like people in Cornwall complaining about a change in the Inverness bus timetable. Keep your beaks out of other people's business.
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djstevec
2,113 posts
44 months
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MOTORVATOR said: CommanderJameson said: MOTORVATOR said: CommanderJameson said: Plenty of gay people have children, you know. Just because you don't like f king people of the opposite gender doesn't mean you don't want children. Well that's a whole different level. I made clear earlier what my opinions on adoption were and luckily we still have the sense to disallow production of children by other means than procreation although I suppose we could redefine that too as it is clearly discriminatory. Who mentioned adoption? Not me. Ah well if you are talking surrogacy I don't agree with that either. As for don't like f king people of the opposite sex and still want children, I like money but don't like working for it so you should legislate for that. I'm actually starting to pity you. That you wish to control a word, an action, a man made construct, for the sake of nothing other then your own bigotted prejudice and ignorance, to deny other peoples capacity for love, desire and commitment that is equal to yours in every single respect other than the person they fall in love with, is utterly pathetic.
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MOTORVATOR
3,345 posts
117 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: It's very worrying t.b.h., this preoccupation with other people's sex lives. All this talk about the desire for procration, sexual bindings, etc etc.
Thousands of elderly people get married every year who are too old for children. They might even be too old for sex, or maybe not. It's none of my business. I would guess some young people get married and never consumate their marriage. It must happen. Other straight couples have sexual relationship that consists of forms of sex other than vaginal. All this must go on behind closed doors and none of it is my concern. Why are some people on here so interested in the intricate details of other peoples sexual habits.
I just don't care. If 2 consenting adults love each other and wish to marry, let them. Their sexual preferences neither enhance or detract from my marriage.
Why is anyone bothered? Like I said in an early post, it's like people in Cornwall complaining about a change in the Inverness bus timetable. Keep your beaks out of other people's business. Believe it or not I don't lay awake at night worrying about a discussion on the internet. But the reason there should be an interest as far as I am concerned is that the fluffy bunny brigade, as displayed by the post following yours, are oblivious to the fact we are now talking about how we bring kids into the world. You are quite correct that I couldn't give a stuff what consenting people get up to sex wise but when it starts to impact on another party and possibly society as a whole we should look carefully at what we believe in.
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CommanderJameson
21,018 posts
96 months
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MOTORVATOR said: You are quite correct that I couldn't give a stuff what consenting people get up to sex wise but when it starts to impact on another party and possibly society as a whole we should look carefully at what we believe in. Presumably there's a negative societal impact from gay marriage and parenting which concerns you. What's that, then?
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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It has nothing to do with bringing kids into the world, as that will occur with or without marriage.
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