Invisible Children: The race to capture Joseph Kony
Discussion
StottyZr said:
How is that constructive? Well done, you quoted an article... Whilst watching the video I did notice that there was no plans for the children that Kony has now turned into animals, this was pointed out to friends at the time.
Although I also pointed out this guy is trying to do something good. And I've also noticed there is a s
t load of negative critics always berating somebody for trying something new.
He's selling the idea of empowering people to do what they think is right.
It's far from perfect, but the ideology and sentiment is very good.
Constructive criticism.Although I also pointed out this guy is trying to do something good. And I've also noticed there is a s
t load of negative critics always berating somebody for trying something new.He's selling the idea of empowering people to do what they think is right.
It's far from perfect, but the ideology and sentiment is very good.
- Stop funds going to fund an Army in a country that has nothing to do with the current situation
- Stop the world bank funding projects through countries with dictators or former guerillas.
- Actually do something rather than make a video that doesn't highlight anything
- Concentrate on countries where this is happening (DRC, Somalia,etc)
- Realise that clicking like and hosting a party wont achieve anything, other than those taking part thinking they are changing the world
- Actually read up on some facts of current affairs in Central Africa
- Realise that the UN and World bank fund it all and like to tinker with countries and get their own dictators in to stabilise countries
StottyZr said:
A couple of points. How the fk is this already being delt with? It was being ignored until this guy had a bh fit.
I understand your point that good intentions can cause more problems. This still doesn't take away from the fact that this thread is full of critisism, none of which being constructive.
On your first point, just because you (and a load of other mindless morons on Facebook and Twitter) weren't aware the problem existed, does not mean it was being ignored.k is this already being delt with? It was being ignored until this guy had a bh fit.I understand your point that good intentions can cause more problems. This still doesn't take away from the fact that this thread is full of critisism, none of which being constructive.
The issue of child soldiers in Africa has been a serious problem for generations, Kony isn't the first and, unless the situation in Africa changes significantly he won't be the last.
Anyone who matters (ie. people in the affected areas, governments and aid workers, people who actually care about the sirtuation in Africa and have taken the time to research it etc.) knows full well about Kony, and have been trying to deal with him for years - it's not easy capturing a man who uses children as bodyguards - but his activities have been curtailed recently, if not stopped completely.
The constructive criticism, which you've signally failed to observe is that in this case, the proposed action would make matters significantly worse, not better - therefore the outcome of bowing to IC's pressure and arming the Ugandan army to the teeth in order to 'stop' Kony would be far worse than allowing the people already on the ground in Uganda and the surrounding countries to continue the good work they've already been doing, albeit under your radar.
Mark Benson said:
The constructive criticism, which you've signally failed to observe is that in this case, the proposed action would make matters significantly worse, not better
I don't think I'm going to get my head around this one. As outlined before, I don't know the details of the goings on as I haven't researched them (I usually would, but its Friday afternoon...) But, to clarify, the constructive critisim outlined by you would be to stop the entire charity and movement of Kony 2012 and this would work towards fixing the problem? As the charity has already made the problem worse and going through with its proposed actions would make matters significantly worse?
StottyZr said:
I don't think I'm going to get my head around this one. As outlined before, I don't know the details of the goings on as I haven't researched them (I usually would, but its Friday afternoon...)
But, to clarify, the constructive critisim outlined by you would be to stop the entire charity and movement of Kony 2012 and this would work towards fixing the problem? As the charity has already made the problem worse and going through with its proposed actions would make matters significantly worse?
Almost, yes. Read the article I linked above for an explanation, it should only take 10 minutes of your time.But, to clarify, the constructive critisim outlined by you would be to stop the entire charity and movement of Kony 2012 and this would work towards fixing the problem? As the charity has already made the problem worse and going through with its proposed actions would make matters significantly worse?
Mark Benson said:
Almost, yes. Read the article I linked above for an explanation, it should only take 10 minutes of your time.
Still can't see it 
My judgement may be clouded by the idea that I would like there to be an "easy" solution. I want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good. I also want to believe the huge progression of communication gives us all the ability to speak out against something and enable/force people with the powers to do something against what we judge as "bad".
Probably just a brainwashed little idiot. As the ball is well and truly rolling, time will tell.
StottyZr said:
Mark Benson said:
Almost, yes. Read the article I linked above for an explanation, it should only take 10 minutes of your time.
Still can't see it My judgement may be clouded by the idea that I would like there to be an "easy" solution. I want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good. I also want to believe the huge progression of communication gives us all the ability to speak out against something and enable/force people with the powers to do something against what we judge as "bad".
Probably just a brainwashed little idiot. As the ball is well and truly rolling, time will tell.
No one is calling you an idiot, or even a little idiot Stotty
We'd all like there to be an easy solution, but there generally isn't one unfortunately. This, allied to the general feeling that IC is raking over old coals to get attention and revenue when the problem is neither unique nor actually current, that the Ugandans themselves aren't too enamored with the 'help' they haven't asked for plus a general old fogeyness about 'trends' and 'bandwagons' that lots of people have seen many times before means the general feeling is one of 'what's all the fuss about'.
If you want to help Ugandans, donate money to local charities that work in post-conflict restoration, we're too late to help against the LRA, by about 25 years.
Mark Benson said:
On your first point, just because you (and a load of other mindless morons on Facebook and Twitter) weren't aware the problem existed, does not mean it was being ignored.
The issue of child soldiers in Africa has been a serious problem for generations, Kony isn't the first and, unless the situation in Africa changes significantly he won't be the last.
Anyone who matters (ie. people in the affected areas, governments and aid workers, people who actually care about the sirtuation in Africa and have taken the time to research it etc.) knows full well about Kony, and have been trying to deal with him for years - it's not easy capturing a man who uses children as bodyguards - but his activities have been curtailed recently, if not stopped completely.
The constructive criticism, which you've signally failed to observe is that in this case, the proposed action would make matters significantly worse, not better - therefore the outcome of bowing to IC's pressure and arming the Ugandan army to the teeth in order to 'stop' Kony would be far worse than allowing the people already on the ground in Uganda and the surrounding countries to continue the good work they've already been doing, albeit under your radar.
You're wasting your time trying to explain this with text. You need to raise enough money so that you can pay yourself £90kpa & spend £8m on making videos, then people will understand your point. The issue of child soldiers in Africa has been a serious problem for generations, Kony isn't the first and, unless the situation in Africa changes significantly he won't be the last.
Anyone who matters (ie. people in the affected areas, governments and aid workers, people who actually care about the sirtuation in Africa and have taken the time to research it etc.) knows full well about Kony, and have been trying to deal with him for years - it's not easy capturing a man who uses children as bodyguards - but his activities have been curtailed recently, if not stopped completely.
The constructive criticism, which you've signally failed to observe is that in this case, the proposed action would make matters significantly worse, not better - therefore the outcome of bowing to IC's pressure and arming the Ugandan army to the teeth in order to 'stop' Kony would be far worse than allowing the people already on the ground in Uganda and the surrounding countries to continue the good work they've already been doing, albeit under your radar.
StottyZr said:
Still can't see it
My judgement may be clouded by the idea that I would like there to be an "easy" solution. I want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good. I also want to believe the huge progression of communication gives us all the ability to speak out against something and enable/force people with the powers to do something against what we judge as "bad".
Probably just a brainwashed little idiot. As the ball is well and truly rolling, time will tell.
There's nothing at all wrong with the concept, and social media has played a massive part in the Arab Spring of course so it really has brought "power to the people". The difference here is that whichever way you cut it, the only major beneficiary of this campaign being a success is the IC organisation. It'll give them influence, dollars, and influential dollars. Ugandans on the other hand have nothing to gain, it appears.My judgement may be clouded by the idea that I would like there to be an "easy" solution. I want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good. I also want to believe the huge progression of communication gives us all the ability to speak out against something and enable/force people with the powers to do something against what we judge as "bad".
Probably just a brainwashed little idiot. As the ball is well and truly rolling, time will tell.
If this campaign was organised by people in Sudan, it might have credibility. The fact it's a US organisation creating a product designed to appeal primarily to US citizens means it's worthless as a .
Despite all this the vast majority of people who have seen this video will take it at face value. Very few people are willing to spend a little time checking the sources and are happy to believe somebody else has done the homework for them. This is why it's taken off like it has, and the most disturbing part about that is this sort of success inspires others to do the same. Anyone can do it; choose a cause (after all there are s
tloads of equally horrific ones in Africa), make a video, set up a website, rake in the dollars.durbster said:
There's nothing at all wrong with the concept, and social media has played a massive part in the Arab Spring of course so it really has brought "power to the people". The difference here is that whichever way you cut it, the only major beneficiary of this campaign being a success is the IC organisation. It'll give them influence, dollars, and influential dollars. Ugandans on the other hand have nothing to gain, it appears.
If this campaign was organised by people in Sudan, it might have credibility. The fact it's a US organisation creating a product designed to appeal primarily to US citizens means it's worthless as a .
Despite all this the vast majority of people who have seen this video will take it at face value. Very few people are willing to spend a little time checking the sources and are happy to believe somebody else has done the homework for them. This is why it's taken off like it has, and the most disturbing part about that is this sort of success inspires others to do the same. Anyone can do it; choose a cause (after all there are stloads of equally horrific ones in Africa), make a video, set up a website, rake in the dollars.
Indeed, cui bono...If this campaign was organised by people in Sudan, it might have credibility. The fact it's a US organisation creating a product designed to appeal primarily to US citizens means it's worthless as a .
Despite all this the vast majority of people who have seen this video will take it at face value. Very few people are willing to spend a little time checking the sources and are happy to believe somebody else has done the homework for them. This is why it's taken off like it has, and the most disturbing part about that is this sort of success inspires others to do the same. Anyone can do it; choose a cause (after all there are s
tloads of equally horrific ones in Africa), make a video, set up a website, rake in the dollars.Oakey said:
StottyZr said:
Still can't see it
I want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good.
What fI want to believe the ideology that normal everyday people can impact the world for greater good.
king 'ideology'? We've been throwing money at Africa for as long as I've been alive, and the problem still persists!For those who are interested, the charity behind Kony 2012 really aren't all that they seem.
I found this link which pretty much tells you it all and the guy has done his research and there are links to all the sources.
http://theeducatedfieldnegro.tumblr.com/post/18894...
They are basically funding the Ugandan military who are probably 90% corrupt anyway and get up to the same stuff as Kony does!
Also Facebook apparently blocked the direct link to the charity and video because it is an extremist movement!
I found this link which pretty much tells you it all and the guy has done his research and there are links to all the sources.
http://theeducatedfieldnegro.tumblr.com/post/18894...
They are basically funding the Ugandan military who are probably 90% corrupt anyway and get up to the same stuff as Kony does!
Also Facebook apparently blocked the direct link to the charity and video because it is an extremist movement!
TonyTony said:
For those who are interested, the charity behind Kony 2012 really aren't all that they seem.
I found this link which pretty much tells you it all and the guy has done his research and there are links to all the sources.
http://theeducatedfieldnegro.tumblr.com/post/18894...
They are basically funding the Ugandan military who are probably 90% corrupt anyway and get up to the same stuff as Kony does!
Also Facebook apparently blocked the direct link to the charity and video because it is an extremist movement!
100% corrupt you meanI found this link which pretty much tells you it all and the guy has done his research and there are links to all the sources.
http://theeducatedfieldnegro.tumblr.com/post/18894...
They are basically funding the Ugandan military who are probably 90% corrupt anyway and get up to the same stuff as Kony does!
Also Facebook apparently blocked the direct link to the charity and video because it is an extremist movement!
durbster said:
There's nothing at all wrong with the concept, and social media has played a massive part in the Arab Spring of course so it really has brought "power to the people".
I'm not sure you can compare big budget glitzy "awareness" campaigns to the role social media played in the Arab Spring. In the latter, it empowered people already on the ground by being able to bypass state controlled information, giving them a sense of what was really happening around them and the ability to take part. It didn't start the uprising, it was simply a very effective tool to enable it to gain traction. This case feels more like a high budget lobbying exercise.
hornet said:
durbster said:
There's nothing at all wrong with the concept, and social media has played a massive part in the Arab Spring of course so it really has brought "power to the people".
I'm not sure you can compare big budget glitzy "awareness" campaigns to the role social media played in the Arab Spring. In the latter, it empowered people already on the ground by being able to bypass state controlled information, giving them a sense of what was really happening around them and the ability to take part. It didn't start the uprising, it was simply a very effective tool to enable it to gain traction. This case feels more like a high budget lobbying exercise.
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