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Mr GrimNasty said:
RYH64E said:
...... we aren't exactly a dry and arid country.
Hyper-arid <100mmArid 100-300mm
Semi-Arid 300-600, some say up to 800mm
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Latin aridus, from arere to be dry
Arid
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A region is said to be arid when it is characterized by a severe lack of available water, to the extent of hindering or even preventing the growth and development of plant and animal life. As a result, environments subject to arid climates tend to lack vegetation and are called xeric or desertic.
Plenty of trees and grass here in Suffolk, not exactly looking like a desert.
So thinking about this, what defines a hosepipe? Clearly that stuff you buy in rolls that has "hosepipe" written all over it is, so using that is a no-no, but what about other similar items that carry fluids? Assuming you've got the fittings to convert, what's stopping you using fuel line, or air line, or even the obvious plastic plumbing pipe like Speedfit? None of that is a hosepipe by any definition, but all could be connected to your outside tap with ease and serve the same purpose.
Who decides what is a hosepipe, and whether you're allowed to use it in a ban situation?
Who decides what is a hosepipe, and whether you're allowed to use it in a ban situation?
Fear not it may be illegal to water your plants using a hose but it is permitted to wash your path down as much as you like with a hose.
Shame my path runs through the garden really.
You can also fill a swimming pool and a pond, now if it just happens you have an old leaky hose with 50 holes along it your garden would be watered by accident
Shame my path runs through the garden really.
You can also fill a swimming pool and a pond, now if it just happens you have an old leaky hose with 50 holes along it your garden would be watered by accident
From: http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde/xbcr/corp/Dro...
1. watering a ‘garden’ using a hosepipe;
2. cleaning a private motor-vehicle using a
hosepipe;
3. watering plants on domestic or other noncommercial
premises using a hosepipe;
4. cleaning a private leisure boat using a hosepipe;
5. filling or maintaining a domestic swimming or
paddling pool;
6. drawing water, using a hosepipe, for domestic
recreational use;
7. filling or maintaining a domestic pond using a
hosepipe;
8. filling or maintaining an ornamental fountain;
9. cleaning walls, or windows, of domestic
premises using a hosepipe;
10. cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe;
11. cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces
using a hosepipe.
1. watering a ‘garden’ using a hosepipe;
2. cleaning a private motor-vehicle using a
hosepipe;
3. watering plants on domestic or other noncommercial
premises using a hosepipe;
4. cleaning a private leisure boat using a hosepipe;
5. filling or maintaining a domestic swimming or
paddling pool;
6. drawing water, using a hosepipe, for domestic
recreational use;
7. filling or maintaining a domestic pond using a
hosepipe;
8. filling or maintaining an ornamental fountain;
9. cleaning walls, or windows, of domestic
premises using a hosepipe;
10. cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe;
11. cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces
using a hosepipe.
Thanks god i'm not laying the lawn for the customers i'm currently doing a drive for.......
Anyway, i will say that driving past East hanningfield resovoir it does look very low- or at least theres a water mark much higher than the existing level. Harrd to say by how much but it looks to be over a meter higher.
So no ban if your essex and suffolk water then? (YET)
Anyway, i will say that driving past East hanningfield resovoir it does look very low- or at least theres a water mark much higher than the existing level. Harrd to say by how much but it looks to be over a meter higher.
So no ban if your essex and suffolk water then? (YET)
Just found this in the Independent - why, when drought orders are being put in place
Two redundant reservoirs and a natural underground spring that are being sold at auction next month have attracted huge interest in Kent, where drought orders are in place.
The reservoirs are on an acre of land near Maidstone and have a guide price of £100,000. But auctioneers expect the plot to attract far higher bids from people keen to avoid hosepipe bans by owning their own water supply. Despite the wettest May on record for years, millions of families in Britain are facing the prospect of having their water rationed.
Southern and Mid Kent Water became the latest suppliers to be granted drought orders last week. The reservoirs are on the banks of the river Medway in the village of East Farleigh, in Southern and Mid Kent's territory.
The original brick reservoir was built in the 1860s and is now covered with earth. A second, built underground in the 1950s, also has a large pumping station but has not been used for some years. But both could be easily reopened.
Attempts to win planning permission for large scale redevelopment of the site have been turned down by the local council, but the auctioneers say that an application for a single house could fare better.
Kevin Gilbert, of Clive Emson Auctions, said: "We have been awash with interest. There have been dozens of viewings of the site. An entrepreneur could bottle their own Farleigh Spring Water."
Two redundant reservoirs and a natural underground spring that are being sold at auction next month have attracted huge interest in Kent, where drought orders are in place.
The reservoirs are on an acre of land near Maidstone and have a guide price of £100,000. But auctioneers expect the plot to attract far higher bids from people keen to avoid hosepipe bans by owning their own water supply. Despite the wettest May on record for years, millions of families in Britain are facing the prospect of having their water rationed.
Southern and Mid Kent Water became the latest suppliers to be granted drought orders last week. The reservoirs are on the banks of the river Medway in the village of East Farleigh, in Southern and Mid Kent's territory.
The original brick reservoir was built in the 1860s and is now covered with earth. A second, built underground in the 1950s, also has a large pumping station but has not been used for some years. But both could be easily reopened.
Attempts to win planning permission for large scale redevelopment of the site have been turned down by the local council, but the auctioneers say that an application for a single house could fare better.
Kevin Gilbert, of Clive Emson Auctions, said: "We have been awash with interest. There have been dozens of viewings of the site. An entrepreneur could bottle their own Farleigh Spring Water."
RYH64E said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
RYH64E said:
...... we aren't exactly a dry and arid country.
Hyper-arid <100mmArid 100-300mm
Semi-Arid 300-600, some say up to 800mm
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Latin aridus, from arere to be dry
Arid
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A region is said to be arid when it is characterized by a severe lack of available water, to the extent of hindering or even preventing the growth and development of plant and animal life. As a result, environments subject to arid climates tend to lack vegetation and are called xeric or desertic.
Plenty of trees and grass here in Suffolk, not exactly looking like a desert.
Semi-Arid does not imply a lack of vegetation. "Semi-arid zones can support rain-fed agriculture with more or less sustained levels of production. Sedentary livestock production also occurs. Native vegetation is represented by a variety of species, such as grasses and grass-like plants, fortes and half-shrubs, and shrubs and trees."
The East of England is classified as semi-arid. Sorry if you don't like it, but that's the fact of the matter.
(Obviously dictionary definitions and scientific ones vary, any fool knows that.)
Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Tuesday 13th March 21:59
PRTVR said:
OK had a quick google and came up with south west water, formed in 1989, completed its last reservoir in 1990, it goes on to say roadford reservoir was the last major reservoir built in the uk
So the last major reservoir built was started before privatization.
I'd be impressed if you could get planning permission for a reservoir these days, they are simply too massive and require too much landSo the last major reservoir built was started before privatization.
Chrisgr31 said:
There is apparently a desalination plant at Beckton in east London, I didnt realise we hadf any assuming the power required to run them masde them uneconomic.
Here in Sussex its hardly rained over the winter, very rarely have I got wet on my journey to and from work.
Not so much anymore, reverse osmosis is getting ever more efficient and becoming a lot more viable. I'd be surprised if we didnt see more springing up soon.Here in Sussex its hardly rained over the winter, very rarely have I got wet on my journey to and from work.
Steameh said:
PRTVR said:
OK had a quick google and came up with south west water, formed in 1989, completed its last reservoir in 1990, it goes on to say roadford reservoir was the last major reservoir built in the uk
So the last major reservoir built was started before privatization.
I'd be impressed if you could get planning permission for a reservoir these days, they are simply too massive and require too much landSo the last major reservoir built was started before privatization.
PRTVR said:
So you are saying that we have no strategic plan to maintain water supplies even with increased number of people? .... thinking about it you are probably right, that would take long term planning and that is something no government is good at, far better just to react to problems when they arise, or in the case of water blame it on the weather, far cheaper.
Not entirely sure on what strategy there is, I'd rather switch to reuse, the water goes straight to the treatment plant, purified and then reused via ultrafiltration or some such method.People seem to have a problem with reusing water that has come straight from the sewer though, instead they seem happier to have it dumped in a river, then taken back out again 200 meters later then reused.
Puggit said:
From: http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde/xbcr/corp/Dro...
1. watering a ‘garden’ using a hosepipe;
2. cleaning a private motor-vehicle using a
hosepipe;
3. watering plants on domestic or other noncommercial
premises using a hosepipe;
4. cleaning a private leisure boat using a hosepipe;
5. filling or maintaining a domestic swimming or
paddling pool;
6. drawing water, using a hosepipe, for domestic
recreational use;
7. filling or maintaining a domestic pond using a
hosepipe;
8. filling or maintaining an ornamental fountain;
9. cleaning walls, or windows, of domestic
premises using a hosepipe;
10. cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe;
11. cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces
using a hosepipe.
Does not say anything there about using the water you may have in a large water butt?1. watering a ‘garden’ using a hosepipe;
2. cleaning a private motor-vehicle using a
hosepipe;
3. watering plants on domestic or other noncommercial
premises using a hosepipe;
4. cleaning a private leisure boat using a hosepipe;
5. filling or maintaining a domestic swimming or
paddling pool;
6. drawing water, using a hosepipe, for domestic
recreational use;
7. filling or maintaining a domestic pond using a
hosepipe;
8. filling or maintaining an ornamental fountain;
9. cleaning walls, or windows, of domestic
premises using a hosepipe;
10. cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe;
11. cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces
using a hosepipe.
You could use a pressure washer with the water gravity fed out of a water butt.
At no time you would ever be using water mains pressure out of a tap like you would with a hosepipe.
DAVEVO9 said:
Does not say anything there about using the water you may have in a large water butt?
You could use a pressure washer with the water gravity fed out of a water butt.
At no time you would ever be using water mains pressure out of a tap like you would with a hosepipe.
.... assume you would fill the water butt using a bucket.You could use a pressure washer with the water gravity fed out of a water butt.
At no time you would ever be using water mains pressure out of a tap like you would with a hosepipe.
Is this a way around the hosepipe ban?
The Black Flash said:
"If Kent County Council think they can stop me making a direct connection between the lack of rainfall and unfettered immigration they must be clinically insane."
Wasn't just me who thought the same then!
Liszt said:
What about fixed irrigation systems? The type that spray a mist on to the beds? If they were hard plumbed into a water supply?
See <v> below...Exemptions
The following will be exempted from the restriction:
i) using a hosepipe in a garden or for cleaning
walls or windows of domestic premises, paths
or patios, a private leisure boat or an artificial
outdoor surface, where such use is necessary
for health and safety reasons.
ii) watering a garden attached to a domestic
dwelling or watering plants on domestic
premises using a hosepipe, by people with
severe mobility problems who hold a current
Blue Badge as issued by their local authority.
iii) using a hosepipe to clean a private motor
vehicle, or walls and windows of domestic
premises, where this is done as a service to
customers in the course of a business.
iv) using a hosepipe to water an area of grass or
artificial outdoor surfaces used for sport or
recreation, where this is required in connection
with a national or international sports event.
v) drip or trickle irrigation watering systems, fitted
with a pressure reducing valve and a timer, that
are not handheld, that place water drip by drip
directly onto the soil surface or beneath the soil
surface, without any surface run off or dispersion
of water through the air using a jet or mist
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