Many children killed in another ski trip coach crash

Many children killed in another ski trip coach crash

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Puggit

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48,476 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Belgian coach crashes in to tunnel wall in Switzerland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17362643

Asterix

24,438 posts

229 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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frown

Absolutely horrible.

SystemParanoia

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199 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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why are coaches falling off the roads left right and centre lately?

Jasandjules

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230 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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SystemParanoia said:
why are coaches falling off the roads left right and centre lately?
I was wondering that. It seems to be far more common recently.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Two?

Changedmyname

12,545 posts

182 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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SystemParanoia said:
why are coaches falling off the roads left right and centre lately?
I wonder if it's the long hours for the drivers?

mgtony

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191 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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I was going to ask how a coach hits a wall head-on in a tunnel, then saw this:



Would it have taken a genius to think perhaps this wall should have been built at an angle to deflect any vehicle in an accident and minimise the impact?

Very tragic.

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

242 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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mgtony said:
I was going to ask how a coach hits a wall head-on in a tunnel, then saw this:



Would it have taken a genius to think perhaps this wall should have been built at an angle to deflect any vehicle in an accident and minimise the impact?

Very tragic.
Looks like amazingly bad design. And that's not just being wise in hindsight.

Digga

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284 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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rsv gone! said:
mgtony said:
I was going to ask how a coach hits a wall head-on in a tunnel, then saw this:



Would it have taken a genius to think perhaps this wall should have been built at an angle to deflect any vehicle in an accident and minimise the impact?

Very tragic.
Looks like amazingly bad design. And that's not just being wise in hindsight.
+1 Tragic and avoidable. Not even any low-level steel deflection barriers there.

Wouldn't even need to be a lapse of concentration, let alone falling asleep at the wheel really. The driver could even have been a momentary dazzle fromt he tunnel lights - perhaps through a dirty windscreen - and you're straight into that impenetrable wall.

Derek Smith

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249 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Changedmyname said:
I wonder if it's the long hours for the drivers?
Phew! It doesn't do to have imagination when reading about such horror.

Further, from the pictures, the coach seems fairly intact. That makes one wonder if seat belts were being worn.

Given the reported circumstances the suspicion has to be something like the driver falling asleep or a heart attack, fit, something like that.

Imagine sorting through the coach, checking to see whicg were dead. All those kids.

Absolutely terrible.

marcosgt

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177 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Tunnel emergency exits like that are quite common in European mountain tunnels.

I don't know whether they're usually protected with armco or the like normally, I suspect not.

I guess the corner that took the impact isn't really visible in that picture, so it's hard to know if there's a lot of damage there, but 100KM/H - 0 in a few metres is going to be a lot of deceleration.

Horrible for all involved and my heart goes out to those who've lost children or other relatives. frown

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Puggit

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249 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Further, from the pictures, the coach seems fairly intact. That makes one wonder if seat belts were being worn.


That kind of impact is going to create all sorts of trauma at the back frown

peterperkins

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243 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Terrible tunnel design, coach drifts off course for whatever reason then you have a dead stop from speed into a totally imovable object!! Even those buckled in must have been subject to a huge G force. 60-0 mph in 5ft or whatever the crushed part measures. frown

sunbeam alpine

6,945 posts

189 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Phew! It doesn't do to have imagination when reading about such horror.

Further, from the pictures, the coach seems fairly intact. That makes one wonder if seat belts were being worn.

Given the reported circumstances the suspicion has to be something like the driver falling asleep or a heart attack, fit, something like that.

Imagine sorting through the coach, checking to see whicg were dead. All those kids.

Absolutely terrible.
Belgian TV news have just shown footage of the coach being towed out of the tunnel. The front and RH side of the coach took the impact and are destroyed - the RH side of the coach is wrecked for about half the length. They are also showing footage from a Swiss press conference saying that the coach was narly new and fitted with seatbelts.

Terrible tragedy.

ETA - slow typing - pics above.

nick s

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218 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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righhhttt, so i'm flying into Geneva on Saturday ngiht and have a 3 hour coach transfer to a Ski resort. This really fills me with confidence!!! :0

g3org3y

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192 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Terrible story frown

Streps

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167 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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frown
Pretty hard to read when children are involved .
Hope the best for the others injured.


williamp

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274 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Awful

A spokesperson said they were less then 30 minutes into their journey.

DJRC

23,563 posts

237 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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24 kids dead now.

Tunnels in Europe are quite different to the tunnels we have in the UK. They are much more complicated than we have in the UK, often with many different exits and entries feeding in and leading off, at times on different sides of the same carriageway. Much can feel counter intuitive a lot of the time and can be downright disconcerting at others. The longer ones can also be monotonous and hypnotic.


JonnyFive

29,398 posts

190 months

Wednesday 14th March 2012
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Thats a nasty accident!

I think though don't most tunnels have openings like that?