Sunday Trading Laws... Beginning of the End?
Discussion
I will buck the PH trend and say I wish pubs and shops were closed on Sundays, not for any religious sky pixie reasons but as a day where people could spend time off from work and be with family and friends relaxing.
The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.Getragdogleg said:
I will buck the PH trend and say I wish pubs and shops were closed on Sundays, not for any religious sky pixie reasons but as a day where people could spend time off from work and be with family and friends relaxing.
The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy bds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
I'm right there bucking it with you because I agree with you 100%.The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.The Hypno-Toad said:
Getragdogleg said:
I will buck the PH trend and say I wish pubs and shops were closed on Sundays, not for any religious sky pixie reasons but as a day where people could spend time off from work and be with family and friends relaxing.
The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy bds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
I'm right there bucking it with you because I agree with you 100%.The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.Pubs used to be a social meeting place where friends or family could meet up for a chat, it's far too expensive now and pubs have had to become restaurants to survive
ExChrispy Porker said:
I worked a 7 day a week rota 365 days a year for 25 years or so.
I used to enjoy having days off during the week.
I really can't see what all the fuss is about.
Exactly, yesterday I wanted to go and look at a car in a dealer that I'd spotted on the manufacturer's used vehicle website. Trundled miles through the wild and woolly countryside behind sightseers unable to make the multiple overtake needed. That's by the by.I used to enjoy having days off during the week.
I really can't see what all the fuss is about.
Got there just 10 minutes after midday. Closed, supposed to be open into the afternoon, so no clue what the problem was, if any, or maybe they'd just sodded off down the pub to watch the rugby.
Lost my business the lazy gits. My fault for not ringing to confirm I would be going but even so.
For me Saturdays and Sundays can be just any other working day, but if I work a weekend I just get two days off during the following week so I fail to see the problem. Every engineering job I've ever worked in was the same - if the job requires doing we work until it's done. So what's so special about the retail industry then?
I spose the weekends were traditionally a time for rest etc. But nowadays they are just moulding into the rest of the week. I spose the 'danger' is - especially in the retail industry - is that it just becomes a 7 day working week with little tiem for rest.
I daresay some people actually like the fact that the weekend or Sunday means that there is a high chance the family/friends can all be together - if everything opens up on Sundays then in a couple of years time it will be the norm to work on a Sunday and family/friend time will be even harder to get.
I daresay some people actually like the fact that the weekend or Sunday means that there is a high chance the family/friends can all be together - if everything opens up on Sundays then in a couple of years time it will be the norm to work on a Sunday and family/friend time will be even harder to get.
Getragdogleg said:
we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy bds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
So we think we want to do some shopping and have a quick pint on a sunday, but you know better than us and want us prevented for our own good.As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.F i F said:
To my mind, people who are saying that people need a rest and therefore shouldn't be expected to work Sunday as well are in a bit of a 9-5 Mon-Fri mindset.
I disagree. I have no issue working Sundays as presently my customers are only open 10am-4pm or there abouts. Leave things as they are. We don't need shops open for longer on a Sunday.I work for a company who run 24/7 365 days a year. This means that I'm required to provide 24 hour on call during weekends as well as bank holidays on a rota system. Therefore I'm well used to working on weekends and doing long hours/shifts etc. That's not my issue though.
Longer opening hours/more businesses open on a Sunday would possibly mean more work for me. As it is, when I work a weekend it results in my working a straight 12 day shift. I don't get time off in the week for working a weekend hence the reason why I prefer Sunday's as they are.
matchmaker said:
Up here in Scotland shops have been able to open on Sunday for many years. This does not seem to cause any problems. It's handy for me and SWMBO as we both work Monday to Saturday.
Indeed. And it's a pain for those of us who work Sunday's in Scotland. 
B Huey said:
XDA said:
I guess those saying that Sunday should be treated like any other day of the week, probably have a comfy 9-5 Monday to Friday job? 
I like the reduced hours on a Sunday. Surely we can all manage to survive for a day while some shops are closed?
I don't fancy working even more extra hours on a Sunday, even if it is for double time. Some of us actually want a break from work...
Surely if you work the weekend you get days off in the week. I like the reduced hours on a Sunday. Surely we can all manage to survive for a day while some shops are closed?
I don't fancy working even more extra hours on a Sunday, even if it is for double time. Some of us actually want a break from work...
I provide on call cover at weekends so don't always work for a full weekend (rare).
Even if I did get week days off, that's no good to me as family and friends are at work....
XDA said:
F i F said:
To my mind, people who are saying that people need a rest and therefore shouldn't be expected to work Sunday as well are in a bit of a 9-5 Mon-Fri mindset.
I disagree.XDA said:
B Huey said:
Surely if you work the weekend you get days off in the week.
No I don't. I end up working 12 days solid.Funk said:
You're both assuming that people WON'T do other things in the time they've saved shopping on a weekend. Why should the time people spend with each other (if, indeed, they even want to) HAVE to be on Sunday?
Give people freedom to choose. Sundays aren't special.
I agree entirely.Give people freedom to choose. Sundays aren't special.
The status of Sunday is a historic anachronism.
It has no place in a largely Agnostic Society.
And the biggest religion in the UK in terms of growth Islam has no great regard for Sunday.
Every day should be equal. Just as every individual should have equal opportunity.
Steffan said:
Funk said:
You're both assuming that people WON'T do other things in the time they've saved shopping on a weekend. Why should the time people spend with each other (if, indeed, they even want to) HAVE to be on Sunday?
Give people freedom to choose. Sundays aren't special.
I agree entirely.Give people freedom to choose. Sundays aren't special.
The status of Sunday is a historic anachronism.
It has no place in a largely Agnostic Society.
And the biggest religion in the UK in terms of growth Islam has no great regard for Sunday.
Every day should be equal. Just as every individual should have equal opportunity.
Dr Jekyll said:
Getragdogleg said:
we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy bds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
So we think we want to do some shopping and have a quick pint on a sunday, but you know better than us and want us prevented for our own good.As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.I don't do pub/shopping on a sunday, i spent time with family and maybe go for a drive/walk. I relax and try to forget about the rat race. Buying stuff does not make me happy. I do not need to be a consumer to be me.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Sunday 18th March 18:28
0000 said:
XDA said:
B Huey said:
Surely if you work the weekend you get days off in the week.
No I don't. I end up working 12 days solid.
It's not an occasional weekend, I work a rota so do 1 in 5 weekends. The actual amount of hours worked on a weekend depend on how busy I am. Ranges between 3-8 hours per each Saturday and Sunday.
May not sound a lot, but I'm not office or shop based. I spend all day on the road, and drive between 1000-2000 every week.
Try driving 100-200 miles everyday for 12 days, as well as doing between 8-10 hours work per day for 12 days straight. Give it a go first before judging me?
Just the other Saturday I did a total of 684 miles and got home at 10:30pm. I was then up at 8am on the Sunday to do another 100 odd miles. That's why I'm happy to have short hours on a Sunday.
As I said earlier, I have no problems working on a Sunday. I just see no need to extend the hours.
Mr_B said:
I quite like the fact the most shops are closed on a Sunday. Sundays have a slower pace , which I like.
If the shops were allowed to open there would be no law to state you (specifically you ) had to use them. You could still have your slower pace on Sunday. But those who don't want it, or can't have it, would have a choice.Equally, families would still be able to have "family time". To be reliant on an antiquated law to have family time is incredibly sad, no? Surely you don't need the government or the legal system to put this in place for you? Seems a bit like abdication of responsibility to me...
Murph7355 said:
Mr_B said:
I quite like the fact the most shops are closed on a Sunday. Sundays have a slower pace , which I like.
If the shops were allowed to open there would be no law to state you (specifically you ) had to use them. You could still have your slower pace on Sunday. But those who don't want it, or can't have it, would have a choice.Equally, families would still be able to have "family time". To be reliant on an antiquated law to have family time is incredibly sad, no? Surely you don't need the government or the legal system to put this in place for you? Seems a bit like abdication of responsibility to me...
t that people think they need to do all the time.When I go on holiday I like to go to sleepy little Mediterranian places where life is still slow and they close down for a couple of hours in the afternoon.
This nation is a good example of how not to live life, almost all of the rat racers I know are not happy people.
We need a law telling us to stop working for a day because we lack the sense to stop ourselves.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Getragdogleg said:
I will buck the PH trend and say I wish pubs and shops were closed on Sundays, not for any religious sky pixie reasons but as a day where people could spend time off from work and be with family and friends relaxing.
The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy bds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.
I'm right there bucking it with you because I agree with you 100%.The losers are the shop workers or those in lower paid jobs who have to do a rota that would become 7 day. we have become a nation of shoppers and a day out is now "bluewater" or "a mall" FFS, when did we lose our imaginations, we live in a great place with decent scenery but we spend our time in shops.
As for pubs, I think there is too much access to alcohol and the people who can least resist it are the ones who are in the pub all the time getting pissed.
Family values are lost, as is the art of converstion and I blame the 24 hour gratification culture that is being rolled out across our land by the greedy b
ds who stand to make more money from longer opening hours, I bet they don't work on a fking Sunday.Murph7355 said:
If the shops were allowed to open there would be no law to state you (specifically you ) had to use them. You could still have your slower pace on Sunday. But those who don't want it, or can't have it, would have a choice.
Equally, families would still be able to have "family time". To be reliant on an antiquated law to have family time is incredibly sad, no? Surely you don't need the government or the legal system to put this in place for you? Seems a bit like abdication of responsibility to me...
I think the point is that Sundays currently 'force us' to have some time - if Sunday became another Saturday and people had to work etc it would make it harder for everyone to be around.) had to use them. You could still have your slower pace on Sunday. But those who don't want it, or can't have it, would have a choice.Equally, families would still be able to have "family time". To be reliant on an antiquated law to have family time is incredibly sad, no? Surely you don't need the government or the legal system to put this in place for you? Seems a bit like abdication of responsibility to me...
There is no point saying you have a choice to do this that or the other - because we all know within a couple of years contracts would be rewritten so that people had to work Sundays... and so on. If you take the posters above exmaple, what if he wnats to spend time with his 17 year old son but his sons contract now forces him to work on Saturday and Sunday?
I do think its (the law change) is inevitable though. Economic proseperity at the cost of anything else.
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