Sunday Trading Laws... Beginning of the End?

Sunday Trading Laws... Beginning of the End?

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Patrick Bateman

12,183 posts

174 months

Tuesday 10th November 2015
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Firstly, I am not an SNP man, not by a long shot, just to be clear.

I listened to Angus Robertson on Radio 2 and he stated the SNP are in favour of Sunday trading but with safeguards in place for workers' pay.

Whether Usdaw are right in it potentially having a knock-on effect to staff pay in Scotland, I've no idea.

Pork

9,453 posts

234 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Mr_B said:
I quite liked it when virtually everything was closed on a Sunday.
Me too, but apparently that makes me some kind of outcast. I liked that things stopped, people slowed down. Now, everything has to be 100 mph all the time and not wanting to be running on the consumer treadmill you're somehow portrayed as being inadequate.

itll help the government figures - more hours people can work, the more gets spent. It won't do anything to improve society though, but as that's not measured in pound notes, seemingly no one cares!

George111

6,930 posts

251 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Pork said:
Mr_B said:
I quite liked it when virtually everything was closed on a Sunday.
Me too, but apparently that makes me some kind of outcast. I liked that things stopped, people slowed down. Now, everything has to be 100 mph all the time and not wanting to be running on the consumer treadmill you're somehow portrayed as being inadequate.

itll help the government figures - more hours people can work, the more gets spent. It won't do anything to improve society though, but as that's not measured in pound notes, seemingly no one cares!
I do too, bit like France on a Sunday.

I doubt we will buy any more . . . but it makes shops spread the staff out over the full week so probably costs them more. Is there a study showing we spend more or there's more profit in it for somebody ? Or is it just more NI and PAYE for the government ?

Pork

9,453 posts

234 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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It's self fulfilling, surely? Shops are open more hours = more hours to work = more money earned = more to spend = longer opening hours needed.

Are people better having more time or having more money?

JagLover

42,416 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Pork said:
Me too, but apparently that makes me some kind of outcast. I liked that things stopped, people slowed down. Now, everything has to be 100 mph all the time and not wanting to be running on the consumer treadmill you're somehow portrayed as being inadequate.

itll help the government figures - more hours people can work, the more gets spent. It won't do anything to improve society though, but as that's not measured in pound notes, seemingly no one cares!
No-one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to shop on a Sunday.

You don't like shopping on a Sunday that's great doesn't mean you get to stop other people doing so.

Funk

26,277 posts

209 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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JagLover said:
No-one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to shop on a Sunday.

You don't like shopping on a Sunday that's great doesn't mean you get to stop other people doing so.
Spot on.

Pork

9,453 posts

234 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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JagLover said:
No-one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to shop on a Sunday.

You don't like shopping on a Sunday that's great doesn't mean you get to stop other people doing so.
I was forced to work Sunday's a few years back. Maybe that started my dislike. I suspect many are still forced to work today too.

Ug_lee

2,223 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Why would opening more hours equal more revenue?

I have a limited sum of money to spend over 6 days in the case of shops and 7 days a week online.

The amount of times I've been dashed by limited opening hours on a Sunday, because I want to buy something on credit is few and far between. Or if I buy something on a Sunday I won't need to buy it during the week as there is only so much money I have and stuff I need.

Or is it genuinely the case that people spend more if the shops are open?


0000

13,812 posts

191 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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I'd spend more in shops if they were open longer on a weekend. I more or less don't spend anything in a shop during the week, ever. Usually I'm out during the day on a Sunday so it's a significant chunk of time where I'd be more likely to buy offline. I must have wanted to go to B&Q at least every other Sunday after 4pm for the last two months. Instead, I use Amazon and wait.

JagLover

42,416 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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0000 said:
I'd spend more in shops if they were open longer on a weekend. I more or less don't spend anything in a shop during the week, ever. Usually I'm out during the day on a Sunday so it's a significant chunk of time where I'd be more likely to buy offline. I must have wanted to go to B&Q at least every other Sunday after 4pm for the last two months. Instead, I use Amazon and wait.
This basically

It doesn't occur to some that many are working long hours on weekdays so that if the shops are only partially open on Sundays it will reduce visits to physical retailers as you effectively only have one and a half shopping days.

From a personal perspective I don't do queues. I do my grocery shopping at 7.30am on a Saturday morning and might pop into a few retailers on a Sunday if they were open at 9am.




Ug_lee

2,223 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Obviously there is the well heeled, high earning PH crowd who cannot spend all their money on a weekendsmile

But generally speaking the population seem quite adept at spending all their money, bar the last few quid of their overdraft every month. Limited Sunday opening hours are a small barrier to most. Especially with the options the modern shopper has these days.

With these feet

5,728 posts

215 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Longer opening hours doesnt automatically equal longer or less social hours.
If there are people willing to shop at that time then there will probably be someone willing to work as well.
May even take a few people off the social and into work.
Sunday is just another day of the week and why it should dictate in not being able to do something or go somewhere is daft, especially for those that perhaps work 5 1/2 days and have no other time free.


I didnt realise Sainsburys have such a big support of the Labour party. Cross them off the shopping list then... smile


Dan911

2,648 posts

208 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Shops open Christmas Day, Boxing Day will be next.....

I understand the ideas! I can see there reasonings.

I remember when Sundays were for the family BBQ or going and seeing people who were off work too.

With these feet

5,728 posts

215 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Dan911 said:
Shops open Christmas Day, Boxing Day will be next.....

I understand the ideas! I can see there reasonings.

I remember when Sundays were for the family BBQ or going and seeing people who were off work too.
Also remember not being able to get fuel after a certain time and being bored through bugger all being open on a Sunday....