Cameron wants to privatise roads (again)

Cameron wants to privatise roads (again)

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F i F

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44,092 posts

251 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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For those who voted for this muppet, I bet you didn't vote for this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...

Daily T said:
The Prime Minister will warn that Britains road network is falling behind the rest of the world as he suggests that private companies should run motorways and A-roads.

Under the plans, the companies will receive a portion of the annual vehicle licence fee to maintain and upgrade the network. Firms would also be encouraged to build new motorways and roads that would be funded by tolls.

The Prime Minister will urge Britain to follow the example set by the Victorians by embarking on a new era of infrastructure building.

He will announce a new feasibility study to develop ways to bring private investment into Britains major roads, which independent experts calculate could be worth up to 100billion.
In a speech today, Mr Cameron will say: We need good roads The problems clear: we dont have enough capacity in places of key demand. Theres nothing green about a traffic jam - and gridlock holds the economy back.

So heres what we should do. Yes, move passengers and heavy goods on to rail. But also widen pinch points, add lanes to motorways by using the hard shoulder to increase capacity.

He will add: We need to look at innovative approaches to the funding of our national roads - to increase investment to reduce congestion.

Road tolling is one option - but we are only considering this for new, not existing, capacity. For example, were looking at how improvements to the A14 could be part-funded through tolling.

Senior sources said Britain was virtually unique in having a publicly-owned and maintained road network.

Under one plan to be considered, the countrys roads would be leased for several decades to a consortium of private companies. There may be different operators for each region.
An independent regulator would then pay the consortium a percentage of the annual road tax to maintain and upgrade the network.

As with water companies, the private companies would be able to make a certain amount of profit annually from the contracts, which would effectively be set by the regulator.

Last night, it was not clear whether the Government would sell the roads or simply save money by paying private companies less to maintain and upgrade them than they currently cost to run.
New roads would also be built by operators who would then charge motorists directly - with the tolls also controlled by an independent regulator.

In todays speech, the Prime Minister will speak of his frustration at Britains increasingly poor and ageing infrastructure. The truth is, we are falling behind, he will say. Falling behind our competitors. And falling behind the great, world-beating, pioneering tradition set by those who came before us.

There is now an urgent need to repair the decades-long degradation of our national infrastructure and to build for the future with as much confidence and ambition as the Victorians once did.

Infrastructure matters because it is the magic ingredient in so much of modern life It affects the competitiveness of every business in the country; it is the thread that ties our prosperity together.
I don't have time at the moment but can someone remind me what Tories said about this at last election.

I think we should investigate his and family links to the companies who will take on this sort of work. Funny how they can hypothecate some of the vehicle excise duty to private firms, but they couldn't do that when they had control of actually fixing and improving the bloody road network.

I think/hope CMD is just about to sign his electoral demise. Never vote Tory again.

Regiment

2,799 posts

159 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Sounds like a great idea, as long as any tolls can be kept low and the private companies are overlooked to ensure they're doing a good job.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Don't suppose any buddies of Cameron have been lobbying for this are in the industry?

Cynical, moi?

powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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F i F said:
I don't have time at the moment but can someone remind me what Tories said about this at last election.

I think we should investigate his and family links to the companies who will take on this sort of work. Funny how they can hypothecate some of the vehicle excise duty to private firms, but they couldn't do that when they had control of actually fixing and improving the bloody road network.

I think/hope CMD is just about to sign his electoral demise. Never vote Tory again.
Dont worry did'nt vote for the blue idiots last time doubt i'l vote for them or the red idiots next time Im suprised anyone is suprised!!! the red idiots spent more than was in the pot , now the blue idiots want to be seen to be doing something but there is no cash!! so they ask there fat cat friends= please make us look good!! and we will sort it so you can fill your boots....

ViperDave

5,530 posts

253 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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CMD said:
Theres nothing green about a traffic jam - and gridlock holds the economy back.
censored me a politician (and PM at that) talking sense. now lets get that new runway at LHR built as well.


wolves_wanderer

12,387 posts

237 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Regiment said:
Sounds like a great idea, as long as any tolls can be kept low and the private companies are overlooked to ensure they're doing a good job.
There is a charming innocence about comments like this.

Derek Smith

45,664 posts

248 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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F i F said:
I don't have time at the moment but can someone remind me what Tories said about this at last election.

I think we should investigate his and family links to the companies who will take on this sort of work. Funny how they can hypothecate some of the vehicle excise duty to private firms, but they couldn't do that when they had control of actually fixing and improving the bloody road network.

I think/hope CMD is just about to sign his electoral demise. Never vote Tory again.
Nothing to do with family - or old school - ties. It is purely repaying their debt to those who funded the tories attempt to get elected.

It is the same with the lifting of the restrictions on development of the greenbelt. Construction companies are also about to be given a boost to their income by the taxpayer subsidsing 95% mortgages, but only on new build houses. That this will put up prices is not something that is in disupute but if supporters pay you a bit of money they want their investment repaid.

Balir and Ecclestone re tobacco advertising anyone? It is the same old all the time.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Annual vehicle licence fee has never been used to maintain roads..

Privatisation is not a good idea in principle yes, but look at the railway system. They should not be run at a profit.

Vimto156

246 posts

168 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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This latest idea from Cameron is a car crash waiting to happen...

Derek Smith

45,664 posts

248 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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So the tax-payer's money will be given to companies who will build roads and then charge the taxpaers for using them.

So we will pay for roads forever, another debt placed on children.

Or have I got it wrong?

F i F

Original Poster:

44,092 posts

251 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Derek Smith said:
So the tax-payer's money will be given to companies who will build roads and then charge the taxpaers for using them.

So we will pay for roads forever, another debt placed on children.

Or have I got it wrong?
Nope, you have got it spot on in my opinion.

Waits for newspaper story some time in the future about 100,000 bill to repaint 3 feet of white line.

joe_90

4,206 posts

231 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Regiment said:
Sounds like a great idea, as long as any tolls can be kept low and the private companies are overlooked to ensure they're doing a good job.
hahahahah.. well played... that was a great cast.

Vimto156

246 posts

168 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Regiment said:
Sounds like a great idea, as long as any tolls can be kept low and the private companies are overlooked to ensure they're doing a good job.
Just like the rail companies have been kept in check, and the energy companies, and the water companies... Let's face it; It's a crap idea!

The Hitman

2,592 posts

210 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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So remind me again why we pay road tax? It's meant to run the road network.

The reason for conjestion is too much traffic trying to use too little space. If you want to tackle conjestion, you need to invest and expand the road network. Privatisation is the opposite if history is anything to go by, what they would do is charge for using it and not invest in it's up keep as much as is needed as it would eat into their profits so it would fall into disrepair. That is exactly the same as all of the publicly owned ventures that were privatised by the Tories.

They mention it could be set up like the water companies are, tell me, how well are the water companies run? Seeing as the drought we are facing at the moment is because of leaks in the system.

They should prove privatisation works before doing anything else, but they can't becase it doesn't. It just makes a few business owners very welthy by charging the public to use what they already paid for.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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Auction off the roads, fine. As long as it's done by standing in the middle of one with a little wooden hammer.

hyperblue

2,801 posts

180 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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The Hitman said:
So remind me again why we pay road tax? It's meant to run the road network.
rofl

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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The Hitman said:
They should prove privatisation works before doing anything else, but they can't becase it doesn't. It just makes a few business owners very welthy by charging the public to use what they already paid for.
And so the circle of life continues.biggrin

y2blade

56,106 posts

215 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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It sounds like a great idea imho...

once again PHers in "knickers in a twist" shocker rolleyes


roachcoach

3,975 posts

155 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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If they are privately owned, will they still need to be closed at least once per year and have no applicable speed limits and no real trafpol enforcement?

scratchchin

Puggit

48,442 posts

248 months

Monday 19th March 2012
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roachcoach said:
If they are privately owned, will they still need to be closed at least once per year and have no applicable speed limits and no real trafpol enforcement?

scratchchin
Like the M6 toll? Oh no, wait...