Cameron wants to privatise roads (again)
Discussion
MyM8V8 said:
hornetrider said:
Cameron is turning out to be a massive disappointment tbh.
Well what did you expect from a man mentored by Michael Howard!!!MyM8V8 said:
Vimto156 said:
Just like the rail companies have been kept in check, and the energy companies, and the water companies... Let's face it; It's a crap idea!
Of course it is. They're politicians!The fundamental difficulty we have is pygmy politicians.
Cameroon and Boy George Osbourne should run the school tuck shop and Moonpig and b
kfeaturesBalls could be monitors.There is no way any of our Politicians are true statesmen or stateswomen.
Clueless self serving Apparatchiks is a kindly description.
This is simply the latest attempt in creative fund raising by politicians.
They have sold all the Utilities to foreign investors who see this as an opportunity to rip off the British taxpayer.
They have dreamed up private finance initiative schemes which have horrendous costs and years and years to run. Another opportunity to rip off the British taxpayer.
They have taxed the UK well past the pip squeak point.
They have borrowed, borrowed, reborrowed and overborrowed year, after year, after year until the UK is on the edge of insolvency.
This is the latest hairbrianed way to generate yet more unaffordable income.
It will not work, it is absolutely stupid and reflects the Tuck Shop position Cameroon is suited to, I mentioned earlier.
Politicians need to understand that the UK cannot afford a Kings lifestyle on a paupers income. Cloud cuckoo land is where our politicians should be.
They simply cannot deal with real economics. Thus will never work. Ever.
RichB said:
I would like to see what he's able to do without being hampered by the Libs. We all know the Libs will get slaughtered at the next election so maybe we'll find out afterwards.
He won't get a second chance from me. He sees the working man as an easy target. I can't see anyone I would vote for anymore.RichB said:
I would like to see what he's able to do without being hampered by the Libs. We all know the Libs will get slaughtered at the next election so maybe we'll find out afterwards.
He won't get a second chance from me. He sees the working man as an easy target. I can't see anyone I would vote for anymore.
Interesting how the privatisations are based on different starting point these days. When the electricity industry was privatised a big issue was that the companies who took over the plant insisted on a level playing field.
Thus in the run up there was a massive refurbishment programme to get, for example, the power stations up to full spec. New pressure parts and so on, massive effort.this was all because of creating competition. Since then we've seen that investment in that plant has been more or less as little as they can get away with, slightly stretching a point as some operators are better than others but even so the plants, with perhaps the exception of Drax are rather run down and shadows of their former selves. Various reasons for that including the dash for gas.
Now it's a case of this potential privatisation you will get whatever it is in the state it is, and this says to me they know there is no competitive element.
I didn't vote for Cons last election as thney resolutely refused to engage on issues about their policies. They still pretty much refuse to engage, and I am fairly confident that the local MP will be out on his ear next time to be replaced by a candidate with medical background, bit like Dr Richard Taylor did in Wyre Forest.
But I'm in same boat as Elroy B, nobody for my vote, UKIP were a complete letdown.
Thus in the run up there was a massive refurbishment programme to get, for example, the power stations up to full spec. New pressure parts and so on, massive effort.this was all because of creating competition. Since then we've seen that investment in that plant has been more or less as little as they can get away with, slightly stretching a point as some operators are better than others but even so the plants, with perhaps the exception of Drax are rather run down and shadows of their former selves. Various reasons for that including the dash for gas.
Now it's a case of this potential privatisation you will get whatever it is in the state it is, and this says to me they know there is no competitive element.
I didn't vote for Cons last election as thney resolutely refused to engage on issues about their policies. They still pretty much refuse to engage, and I am fairly confident that the local MP will be out on his ear next time to be replaced by a candidate with medical background, bit like Dr Richard Taylor did in Wyre Forest.
But I'm in same boat as Elroy B, nobody for my vote, UKIP were a complete letdown.
If they're privatised, the motorways won't miraculously improve overnight.
It takes fookin ages to re-surface... look at the roadworks near nottingham. Might take a while to do the whole country!
If you want to get from Swindon to Skipton you'll still have to use the M6, or the M1 - so does everyone else... so the conjestion won't mysteriously vanish!
It takes fookin ages to re-surface... look at the roadworks near nottingham. Might take a while to do the whole country!
If you want to get from Swindon to Skipton you'll still have to use the M6, or the M1 - so does everyone else... so the conjestion won't mysteriously vanish!
Elroy Blue said:
RichB said:
So no sensible answer from you. I guess you just believe what you read in the Daily Mirror then.
Oh that's right. Criticise Cameron and your automatically a raving lefty militant. Good argument 
Sorry, I haven't started any argument. I just asked you why you thought the Tories were being hard on the 'working man'. You failed to provide an answer. No argument, just seems strange you make a statement but can't explain your why. Trommel said:
The Hitman said:
Hmmm, an insult with no contructive criticism...oh my, what shall I do?
How about thinking for yourself instead of trying to guess how on-message Labour HQ would like you to be?It's the sort of baseless doublespeak Harriet Harman would think twice about saying.
king love lost on the fking Tories...but I fking hate those Labour idiots as well. So, I find it really funny that just on the fact I'm critical of the Tories I'm pro-Labour. Mind, I understand, I did say that the economy was getting better before the Tories took over...but thats only because it actually was.They are just as bad as one another. And the Lib Dems are spineless power hungry hypocrites.
I find it infuriating that the Government thats meant to help the WHOLE country, seems to try to sell most of it down the river.
fatboy18 said:
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Surely websites like PH should be somehow trying to organize some kind of protest on the cost of motoring and should join forces with the RAC, AA and other parties to take our case to Government to say NO! What about a Sunday Service run to Whitehall and bring it to a halt!
I agree with the first bit, but the other organisations just seem to be more bothered in the God of 'Green' or in the insurance service rather than true on the side of motorist anymore. Only time we seem to hear from the RAC is to tell us during winter time to have a blanket in the car.Surely websites like PH should be somehow trying to organize some kind of protest on the cost of motoring and should join forces with the RAC, AA and other parties to take our case to Government to say NO! What about a Sunday Service run to Whitehall and bring it to a halt!
I am sure I heard a couple of days ago that they were thinking of ring fencing some of the car duty to help these new formed companies to create roads and/or repair potholes. Jesus! They really are lost sometimes.
BTW why does the new national speed limit seem to be 45? Why cant the Police or someone tell them to put their foot down.
VED and fuel duty bring in over £30 billion a year.
Current spend on roads or highways budget is £9billion a year.
There is a £10billion backlog of repairs apparently.
I for one would like it to be made very clear what the 21billion is subsidising. Just general weekdays etc is not good enough I'm paying for it it's a specific transportation tax which should be reinvested in the infrastructure or given it has been spent elsewhere previously well change it now.
A good road network that is in good condition and constantly upgraded to reduce average life of the road surface would make a huge difference.
Current spend on roads or highways budget is £9billion a year.
There is a £10billion backlog of repairs apparently.
I for one would like it to be made very clear what the 21billion is subsidising. Just general weekdays etc is not good enough I'm paying for it it's a specific transportation tax which should be reinvested in the infrastructure or given it has been spent elsewhere previously well change it now.
A good road network that is in good condition and constantly upgraded to reduce average life of the road surface would make a huge difference.
This Proposal really dosen't make sense with the cost of car ownership rising, more people are forced find alternative means to travel or move closer to there place of work. People are also finding alternative means to communicate with out having to travel e.g web conferancing e-mails and soacial networking. Business will also adapt as well due to people having to find alternative means of feasibly getting to the place of work. Ie flexi time working from home hotdesking decentralising offices etc.
As this happens the Govt will gradually see a decline in its tax revenue oil and gas consumption will drop off and the northsea oilfields are drained dry and car population declines. I therefore think the business concept toll road system will eventually become unfeasible as the userbase drops.
This then begs the question what will they tax next? Or how is the government ever going to reduced it spending.
As this happens the Govt will gradually see a decline in its tax revenue oil and gas consumption will drop off and the northsea oilfields are drained dry and car population declines. I therefore think the business concept toll road system will eventually become unfeasible as the userbase drops.
This then begs the question what will they tax next? Or how is the government ever going to reduced it spending.
smokes said:
This Proposal really dosen't make sense with the cost of car ownership rising, more people are forced find alternative means to travel or move closer to there place of work. People are also finding alternative means to communicate with out having to travel e.g web conferancing e-mails and soacial networking. Business will also adapt as well due to people having to find alternative means of feasibly getting to the place of work. Ie flexi time working from home hotdesking decentralising offices etc.
As this happens the Govt will gradually see a decline in its tax revenue oil and gas consumption will drop off and the northsea oilfields are drained dry and car population declines. I therefore think the business concept toll road system will eventually become unfeasible as the userbase drops.
This then begs the question what will they tax next? Or how is the government ever going to reduced it spending.
I am sorry to say that the next brainwave politically will probably be Quantitative Easing to allow more government expenditure of some such fraudulent nonsense. Much easier to borrow, print or otherwise hock the country into unopayable debt.As this happens the Govt will gradually see a decline in its tax revenue oil and gas consumption will drop off and the northsea oilfields are drained dry and car population declines. I therefore think the business concept toll road system will eventually become unfeasible as the userbase drops.
This then begs the question what will they tax next? Or how is the government ever going to reduced it spending.
The politicians today will not make difficult decisions.
Because like Mr Bliar and Winkey by the time the politicians retire they can avoid any blame for the ensuing mess.
It worked for them. It will work for this lot.
Our politicians are pygmy managers with no real experience of life or business. Self serving apparatchiks to a man.
I regrettably, have come to expect this. That's the reality of UK politics today.
Funny, the tone has certaintly changed within the past few months on this forum!
As I posted in another topic at the beginning of the month;
I highlight the second paragraph
As I posted in another topic at the beginning of the month;
I highlight the second paragraph
SpeedMattersNot said:
It’s fascinating how on this forum, of which I believe most people are ‘tories’ fulfilling their middle class dream, there is in fact pure hatred for Miliband yet no love for Cameron or Clegg?
This forum should be full of 'win topics' and 'my life is so much better now' but instead it is infact, in my experience, more negative than it has ever been!
Curious.
Though one person did say their life had improved "ten fold" but didn't go into details This forum should be full of 'win topics' and 'my life is so much better now' but instead it is infact, in my experience, more negative than it has ever been!
Curious.
SpeedMattersNot said:
It’s fascinating how on this forum, of which I believe most people are ‘tories’ fulfilling their middle class dream, there is in fact pure hatred for Miliband yet no love for Cameron or Clegg?
[b]This forum should be full of 'win topics' and 'my life is so much better now' but instead it is infact, in my experience, more negative than it has ever been
I think the truth of the matter is that many hardworking people and small business owners, of which this forum is mainly composed, are in utter di[b]This forum should be full of 'win topics' and 'my life is so much better now' but instead it is infact, in my experience, more negative than it has ever been
espair at the quality of the people who have been governing this country (of whatever political flavour).
They have, all of them, gradually sold the country, it's sovereignty and it's assets down the river, whether by total lack of intellect, or liberal naivity, and we're all fed up with it!
You only have to watch a couple of rounds of Question Time to see what I mean. These people do not even have the good manners to allow each other to speak! Tories, "socialists", liberals, ukip, Greens (well reds really). Name me one party which contains the kind of Statesmen our country requires to be taken seriously on the world stage.
The first real Statesman to step forward needs to get us out of this European mess for starters, and maybe the money saved could be used to rebuild our p*ss poor roads and infrastructure.
Edited by MyM8V8 on Wednesday 21st March 01:46
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