Police face racism scandal after black man records abuse
Discussion
Apache said:
I think the point was that Chris Rock refers to white men as 'Crackers' in his routine.
If a white comedian, who tells jokes intended for white people, to a majority white audience referred to black men in a similar derogatory fashion then it might get a different response
I hadn't seen the sketch in a while but you are right.If a white comedian, who tells jokes intended for white people, to a majority white audience referred to black men in a similar derogatory fashion then it might get a different response
In this case, of course it is completely unacceptable and can never be justified.
I'm pretty liberal but one thing I can't bide by is one race referring to or describing another race in a derogatory manner, whoever the parties concerned.
paddyhasneeds said:
Hmm so 56 days for being racist on Twitter (something was deserved, not sure 2 months chokey was it), but get caught and recorded doing it in a Met uniform and you won't even get charged.
WTF?!
I think the problem has been a legal one. If you recall the BBC Mark Daly documentary in 2003 'The Secret Policeman' 4 or 5 officers were recorded making racist remarks and at least one wearing pillow cases as KKK attire at their training school. The problem is that the law says the offence is only if it takes place in or is visible in a public place. To extend it to private places (which include secure areas at police stations) would measn extending it to homes.WTF?!
Perhaps it needs a law change making workplaces 'public places' for the purpose of this legislation? Although that would make all work arguments subject to prosecution for causing for alarm, harassment and distress.
Badabing said:
Is the young lad a 'wannabe gangsta troublemaker'? I do not say this to be argumentative but because I know nothing about the kid.
From the way he was talking on the recording i would say either wanna be or fully fledged either way a waste of oxygen worthy of putting down like a stray dog.Cogcog said:
I think the problem has been a legal one. If you recall the BBC Mark Daly documentary in 2003 'The Secret Policeman' 4 or 5 officers were recorded making racist remarks and at least one wearing pillow cases as KKK attire at their training school. The problem is that the law says the offence is only if it takes place in or is visible in a public place. To extend it to private places (which include secure areas at police stations) would measn extending it to homes.
Perhaps it needs a law change making workplaces 'public places' for the purpose of this legislation? Although that would make all work arguments subject to prosecution for causing for alarm, harassment and distress.
Or and I know this is controversial people could just... Grow the fPerhaps it needs a law change making workplaces 'public places' for the purpose of this legislation? Although that would make all work arguments subject to prosecution for causing for alarm, harassment and distress.
k up and stop being so whiny. OMG he LOOKED at me
, he is SUCH a racist!!! BURN THE RACIST!!!!etc etc....
People these days are just so pathetic.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Or and I know this is controversial people could just... Grow the fk up and stop being so whiny.
It's not controversial, it just makes you sound ignorant tbh.k up and stop being so whiny. This isn't one of those stupid stories you read about where someone has decided to be offended because they got a Christmas card instead of "winterval" or some stupid non-incident, this is a guy who very probably is a total piece of s
t by his actions, however if you put on a Police uniform you don't call such people "", it really is that simple and it's a little odd (to put it mildly) that people are still trying to somehow justify his doing so.Of course bh stewie police of officers are powered by batteries and not blood and feel no emotions. They get verbally and physically abused all day long however as robots it doesnt bother them....
Or does it????
They are human and we will all do and say stupid st eventually if pushed hard enough and no amount of counselling and therapy can stop someone from a spur of the moment outburst.
Shall we arrest everyone who calls someone fat on the spur of the moment in response to the fat person antagonising them? Or maybe we should put everyone who says the word gay who isn't gay in front of a firing squad.
The complete and utter incomprehensible overreaction to everything said and done by anyone these days is ridiculous. So one officer called him the n word whoopdie dooo they call themselves by that term all the time and most of them probably don't even truly understand its origin.
But god forbid someone non black says it and the world stops spinning the ice caps immediately melt and millions of cute little fluffy bunny wabbits the world over die of heatstroke.
WHY ?
h stewie police of officers are powered by batteries and not blood and feel no emotions. They get verbally and physically abused all day long however as robots it doesnt bother them....Or does it????
They are human and we will all do and say stupid s
t eventually if pushed hard enough and no amount of counselling and therapy can stop someone from a spur of the moment outburst.Shall we arrest everyone who calls someone fat on the spur of the moment in response to the fat person antagonising them? Or maybe we should put everyone who says the word gay who isn't gay in front of a firing squad.
The complete and utter incomprehensible overreaction to everything said and done by anyone these days is ridiculous. So one officer called him the n word whoopdie dooo they call themselves by that term all the time and most of them probably don't even truly understand its origin.
But god forbid someone non black says it and the world stops spinning the ice caps immediately melt and millions of cute little fluffy bunny wabbits the world over die of heatstroke.
WHY ?
I couldn't do their job because I couldn't deal with scum day in day out. So I don't do it.
Of course they aren't robots, I wouldn't want Police Officers that are, but if you can't arrest someone without verbally abusing them based on the colour of their skin, perhaps you're in the wrong job.
If nothing else the prejudice it shows has the possibility to undermine the credibility of the officer as a witness - I wouldn't want a piece of scum to be found not guilty because a jury didn't trust the evidence of an officer involved because he seemed to have a view of the defendant based on his skin colour.
"It's just words" doesn't wash, it really is that simple.
Of course they aren't robots, I wouldn't want Police Officers that are, but if you can't arrest someone without verbally abusing them based on the colour of their skin, perhaps you're in the wrong job.
If nothing else the prejudice it shows has the possibility to undermine the credibility of the officer as a witness - I wouldn't want a piece of scum to be found not guilty because a jury didn't trust the evidence of an officer involved because he seemed to have a view of the defendant based on his skin colour.
"It's just words" doesn't wash, it really is that simple.
tallbutbuxomly
Police officers have to serve all the public, black, white or any other colour. If you were black and your house had just been burgled how would you feel about calling an organisation which tolerated its staff racially abusing people? Would you have any confidence in them? How would you feel about paying your council tax to fund an organisation which tolerated its staff treating you with contempt based upon the colour of your skin?
Police officers have to serve all the public, black, white or any other colour. If you were black and your house had just been burgled how would you feel about calling an organisation which tolerated its staff racially abusing people? Would you have any confidence in them? How would you feel about paying your council tax to fund an organisation which tolerated its staff treating you with contempt based upon the colour of your skin?
Stewie whether you could do their job is an irrelevance. There is no one who could do the job without snapping from time to time. What is said and done at the time is variable and normally nothing more serious than losing their cool and being a bit rough or shouting at them ignoring them etc.
In this case an officer lost his cool and said something to get back at the scrote. Sure he probably shouldnt have said it but he did life goes on.
Prejudice at court is the only reason i would be concerned. The whole weird concept of treating the scrotes with dignity and or respect which they are determined not to return or simply dont understand baffles me.
If some little turd spits at an officer the officer should rightly be allowed to thump him one to teach him a lesson. Give officers and the courts the power to properly punish and you would get rid of a fair few of the problems found in the modern police force as officers wouldnt feel so hard done by and impotent.
The trouble makers would show a lot more respect towards the police as they would be fearful of the consequences of not doing so.
Most of the scum should be given three chances and then on the fourth occasion simply be put down. Treat them like rabid stray dogs as imho they are worse. A dog doesnt have a choice or understanding of right and wrong.
Helps solve two problems. reduces crime and reduces population. Win WIn.
In this case an officer lost his cool and said something to get back at the scrote. Sure he probably shouldnt have said it but he did life goes on.
Prejudice at court is the only reason i would be concerned. The whole weird concept of treating the scrotes with dignity and or respect which they are determined not to return or simply dont understand baffles me.
If some little turd spits at an officer the officer should rightly be allowed to thump him one to teach him a lesson. Give officers and the courts the power to properly punish and you would get rid of a fair few of the problems found in the modern police force as officers wouldnt feel so hard done by and impotent.
The trouble makers would show a lot more respect towards the police as they would be fearful of the consequences of not doing so.
Most of the scum should be given three chances and then on the fourth occasion simply be put down. Treat them like rabid stray dogs as imho they are worse. A dog doesnt have a choice or understanding of right and wrong.
Helps solve two problems. reduces crime and reduces population. Win WIn.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Tallbut, would you treat black scum any differently from the other scum?
Scum is scum pink purple green or luminous yellow. I treat people based on actions nothing more nothing less. I have preconceived ideas about certain groups of people fat/thin male female black white muslim etc etc. However everyone is treated equal till they individually give reason to be treated differently.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/19/metropoli...
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of st goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.hornetrider said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/19/metropoli...
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of st goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.
Yada yada racism yada yada. Whilst i do sympathise with the guy and think the officers involved should be punished let us not make this a racism issue. It had fIt is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.k all to do with race and everything to do with with an observation of the troublemakers who were black much like the innocent chap in this case. As was also noted it was a highly volatile situation the officers were on edge after being attacked. It does not justify in any way their actions but it also had nothing to do with race and it is this sort s
t which is really getting on my tits much like the officer who now looks like his career is in tatters and who looks like being put in jail or punished in some other way for losing his cool and reacting to a crim.hornetrider said:
That's an interesting interpretation of the facts as presented to the court.
Here's a key quote for you...He said of Kennedy-Macfoy: "I couldn't say he was anything to do with the party. The party was all black. He was black. He had driven through the cordon. I had to do a quick risk assessment."
The simple fact is he is black the troublemakers were black. It's a simple observation. It was reasonable to assume he was one of the partygoers intent on causing mischief or whatever. However if as claimed and i see no reason to disbelieve his account he was simply hauled out of the car and attacked whilst remaining calm and trying to reason with the baying mob then of course the baying mob deserve punishment and imho dismissal from the police force.
TallbutBuxomly said:
hornetrider said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/19/metropoli...
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of st goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.
Yada yada racism yada yada. Whilst i do sympathise with the guy and think the officers involved should be punished let us not make this a racism issue. It had fIt is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.k all to do with race and everything to do with with an observation of the troublemakers who were black much like the innocent chap in this case. As was also noted it was a highly volatile situation the officers were on edge after being attacked. It does not justify in any way their actions but it also had nothing to do with race and it is this sort s
t which is really getting on my tits much like the officer who now looks like his career is in tatters and who looks like being put in jail or punished in some other way for losing his cool and reacting to a crim.TallbutBuxomly said:
Here's a key quote for you...
He said of Kennedy-Macfoy: "I couldn't say he was anything to do with the party. The party was all black. He was black. He had driven through the cordon. I had to do a quick risk assessment."
The simple fact is he is black the troublemakers were black. It's a simple observation. It was reasonable to assume he was one of the partygoers intent on causing mischief or whatever. However if as claimed and i see no reason to disbelieve his account he was simply hauled out of the car and attacked whilst remaining calm and trying to reason with the baying mob then of course the baying mob deserve punishment and imho dismissal from the police force.
Which is exactly my point - so it appears you agree with me.He said of Kennedy-Macfoy: "I couldn't say he was anything to do with the party. The party was all black. He was black. He had driven through the cordon. I had to do a quick risk assessment."
The simple fact is he is black the troublemakers were black. It's a simple observation. It was reasonable to assume he was one of the partygoers intent on causing mischief or whatever. However if as claimed and i see no reason to disbelieve his account he was simply hauled out of the car and attacked whilst remaining calm and trying to reason with the baying mob then of course the baying mob deserve punishment and imho dismissal from the police force.
Guardian said:
On the night he was shot with the stun gun, he was wearing a three-piece pinstriped suit and driving a white Audi when he encountered a police roadblock and assumed there had been a road traffic accident.
In fact the police were dealing with the aftermath of a party that had been closed down, and officers had been subject to a hail of bottles and bricks. Kennedy-Macfoy had stopped behind a police van when he saw a young man pick up a rock.
"He launched it at this police van window and I was actually scared for whoever was in the police van," he said. "I knew it was occupied because the reverse lights kept on coming on and off."
The firefighter noted the man who had thrown the rock was black, wearing blue jeans, a black top and holding a red garment. When the van driver turned the vehicle, he tried to flag him down to pass on the description. According to Kennedy-Macfoy's complaint, the van driver did not let him speak, shouting: "fk off you prick."
When the van moved away, Kennedy-Macfoy drove to a cordon of police officers with shields further along the road. He said he pulled up by the officers for three reasons: to relay the description of the young man who had thrown the rock, request the badge number of the van driver who he alleged swore at him, so he could complain, and to ask for the quickest route home.
However, before he was able to convey the information, Kennedy-Macfoy alleges a number of officers began "hurling abuse" at him, charging at his car and grabbing him "viciously" through the windows.
He says he was dragged from the car and in the ensuing melee the officers repeatedly encircled him and shouted profanities. He said he replied calmly and showed his palms to the officers, telling them: "Listen guys, I haven't done anything wrong. I'm a firefighter – I work with you lot and I just want to explain something. I've showed no aggression toward any of you."
The fireman said he recalled police telling people who were filming the scene with their mobile phones: "Turn those fking cameras off." He said the stun gun was discharged when he was walking backwards with his hands in the air.
In court, the police officer who discharged the weapon conceded he did not warn Kennedy-Macfoy he was about to be shot – an apparent contravention of Home Office guidelines.
Kennedy-Macfoy's complaint against police was submitted shortly after the attack. He alleged he was shot without warning and said he believed he had been targeted because of his race.
The Met should automatically refer all complaints involving the use of their Taser stun guns to the IPCC. However in Kennedy-Macfoy's case, the force decided to deal with the complaint internally for seven months. On Wednesday, following inquiries from the Guardian, and a letter from Kennedy-Macfoy's lawyers which drew attention to the evidence officers gave in court about race, the Met decided it would refer the case to the IPCC.
In fact the police were dealing with the aftermath of a party that had been closed down, and officers had been subject to a hail of bottles and bricks. Kennedy-Macfoy had stopped behind a police van when he saw a young man pick up a rock.
"He launched it at this police van window and I was actually scared for whoever was in the police van," he said. "I knew it was occupied because the reverse lights kept on coming on and off."
The firefighter noted the man who had thrown the rock was black, wearing blue jeans, a black top and holding a red garment. When the van driver turned the vehicle, he tried to flag him down to pass on the description. According to Kennedy-Macfoy's complaint, the van driver did not let him speak, shouting: "f
k off you prick."When the van moved away, Kennedy-Macfoy drove to a cordon of police officers with shields further along the road. He said he pulled up by the officers for three reasons: to relay the description of the young man who had thrown the rock, request the badge number of the van driver who he alleged swore at him, so he could complain, and to ask for the quickest route home.
However, before he was able to convey the information, Kennedy-Macfoy alleges a number of officers began "hurling abuse" at him, charging at his car and grabbing him "viciously" through the windows.
He says he was dragged from the car and in the ensuing melee the officers repeatedly encircled him and shouted profanities. He said he replied calmly and showed his palms to the officers, telling them: "Listen guys, I haven't done anything wrong. I'm a firefighter – I work with you lot and I just want to explain something. I've showed no aggression toward any of you."
The fireman said he recalled police telling people who were filming the scene with their mobile phones: "Turn those f
king cameras off." He said the stun gun was discharged when he was walking backwards with his hands in the air.In court, the police officer who discharged the weapon conceded he did not warn Kennedy-Macfoy he was about to be shot – an apparent contravention of Home Office guidelines.
Kennedy-Macfoy's complaint against police was submitted shortly after the attack. He alleged he was shot without warning and said he believed he had been targeted because of his race.
The Met should automatically refer all complaints involving the use of their Taser stun guns to the IPCC. However in Kennedy-Macfoy's case, the force decided to deal with the complaint internally for seven months. On Wednesday, following inquiries from the Guardian, and a letter from Kennedy-Macfoy's lawyers which drew attention to the evidence officers gave in court about race, the Met decided it would refer the case to the IPCC.
TallbutBuxomly said:
hornetrider said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/19/metropoli...
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of st goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.
Yada yada racism yada yada. Whilst i do sympathise with the guy and think the officers involved should be punished let us not make this a racism issue. It had fIt is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.k all to do with race and everything to do with with an observation of the troublemakers who were black much like the innocent chap in this case. As was also noted it was a highly volatile situation the officers were on edge after being attacked. It does not justify in any way their actions but it also had nothing to do with race and it is this sort s
t which is really getting on my tits much like the officer who now looks like his career is in tatters and who looks like being put in jail or punished in some other way for losing his cool and reacting to a crim.Do you know what names the officers were called the guy?
Do you know whether any of the abuse was racist in nature?
Regardless,
They abused and attacked an innocent man
They arrested and prosecuted an innocent man (knowing he was innocent)
an officer tasered said innocent, unarmed man in the back with no warning.
stackmonkey said:
How do you know it had nothing to do with racism, purely on the basis of that article?
Do you know what names the officers were called the guy?
Do you know whether any of the abuse was racist in nature?
Regardless,
[b]They abused and attacked an innocent man
They arrested and prosecuted an innocent man (knowing he was innocent)
an officer tasered said innocent, unarmed man in the back with no warning.[/b]
Those are the key factors his skin colour was irrelevant or are you going to tell me that all the officers involved were "racist".Do you know what names the officers were called the guy?
Do you know whether any of the abuse was racist in nature?
Regardless,
[b]They abused and attacked an innocent man
They arrested and prosecuted an innocent man (knowing he was innocent)
an officer tasered said innocent, unarmed man in the back with no warning.[/b]
I can say with certainty it had nothing to do with racism as it was as said a very simple conclusion for the officers to come to. They had been attacked by a bunch of black people and he was black.
It was therefore logical to conclude he may be part of the group. Attacking him however was not acceptable in any way shape or form but would have been based on the officers losing their cool and taking their anger out on someone they felt was one of the troublemakers.
I find it tedious how everything becomes about race. Its stupid and pointless and people need to grow up.
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