Police face racism scandal after black man records abuse
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hornetrider said:
They were a gang of scrotes on foot. He was in a three piece pinstripe driving a white Audi.
Not entirely my assessment. They were holding a party which the police broke up it is therefore logical to conclude that some were dressed up.Regardless of that fact making it about race is just plain stupid. Making things about race makes things worse and creates more racism.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Making things about race makes things worse and creates more racism.
Making things about racism when there is none makes things worse.Claiming things are not about racism when they are, also makes things worse.
My point was that for this case, we simply do not know yet.
hornetrider said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/19/metropoli...
It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.
Why can't you believe it?It is not often I resort to the Wailism 'shocking' but I will now. I can't believe this kind of s
t goes on within the force. I hope they all get the book thrown at them - rotten eggs to the core.Not directed at you HR, but imagine if the victim in question wasn't an ethnic minority.
If the partygoers were white and police officers grabbed another white male who happened to be in the area, would the naysayers still have the same opinion in that the officers were justified in their actions?
Now what if that person was your son or daughter?
hornetrider said:
From the accounts and the article (I have nothing else to go on) he was attempting to inform officers of a misdemeanour and was dragged, suited and booted, from his car before being given a shoeing, tasered and banged up in the cells.
Bit harsh, non?
Hornet no one is arguing the harshness of what is alleged to have happened. What is being argued is everything being made into a race issue. Bit harsh, non?
hornetrider said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
What is being argued is everything being made into a race issue.
Why do you suppose this suited up individual was dragged from his car and tasered despite him informing the BIB he was a firefighter?k at dealing with it or covering up depending which side of the fence you sit on.TallbutBuxomly said:
hornetrider said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
What is being argued is everything being made into a race issue.
Why do you suppose this suited up individual was dragged from his car and tasered despite him informing the BIB he was a firefighter?TallbutBuxomly said:
Because his skin was the same colour as everyone who had been attacking them.
Erm, surely that is a race issue. I mean you can replace black with any other description and it is still a race issue. Shucks, i'm out of this thread - where's Atticus Finch when you need him?
fido said:
Erm, surely that is a race issue. I mean you can replace black with any other description and it is still a race issue.
Shucks, i'm out of this thread - where's Atticus Finch when you need him?
No it is a profiling issue much as if it had been a bunch of white yobbos causing trouble and a white guy had come to help by giving them some info and they treated him the same or a pink guy or orange or green with yellow stripes.Shucks, i'm out of this thread - where's Atticus Finch when you need him?
"Because his skin was the same colour as everyone who had been attacking them."
Even though he stated he was a Firefighter and approached them without aggression and in a defensive manner?
Why? Stereotyping. The guy was black (obviously more than likely to be a criminal).
Prove it? Members of this forum have stated they would rather not live next to a black family given the choice. Same principal here guys, racial profiling.
Lets reverse roles. All parties involved are white. The police do attack an innocent white person. Do you think they would come out with the defense that he was white so was obviously involved? Nope they wouldn't. Why? It wouldn't hold up in court. It would be another excuse entirely.
I'm as far right as they come for fk sake. Not some leftist hand wringer. You cannot excuse this case as not being brought about due to the racial predjudices of these officers.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Even though he stated he was a Firefighter and approached them without aggression and in a defensive manner?
Why? Stereotyping. The guy was black (obviously more than likely to be a criminal).
Prove it? Members of this forum have stated they would rather not live next to a black family given the choice. Same principal here guys, racial profiling.
Lets reverse roles. All parties involved are white. The police do attack an innocent white person. Do you think they would come out with the defense that he was white so was obviously involved? Nope they wouldn't. Why? It wouldn't hold up in court. It would be another excuse entirely.
I'm as far right as they come for f
k sake. Not some leftist hand wringer. You cannot excuse this case as not being brought about due to the racial predjudices of these officers. Ignorance is not an excuse.
TallbutBuxomly said:
No it is a profiling issue much as if it had been a bunch of white yobbos causing trouble and a white guy had come to help by giving them some info and they treated him the same or a pink guy or orange or green with yellow stripes.
That's not the same situation. It would gave to be a white off-duty firefighter in a suit and driving a [black] Audi getting treated the same as a group of white yobbos approaching a van full of black policemen. I'd say that sounds pretty much as bad.Hugo a Gogo said:
so you're asking "why is it a race issue?"... then saying he was dragged out and tasered because of his race?
Which is the point I'm trying to make.I can't put it any other way.
The facts which make it worse are that he verbally told them he was practically employed by the same people and that he was wearing a suit and not a flipping tracksuit.
What is it about this particular issue which makes some posters try to defend the indefensible?
If police officers had been caught stealing no-one would have any qualms about condemning their actions but apparently beating up a black man solely because of the colour of his skin then trying to prosecute him with no justification is alright.
I'll repost this - Police officers have to serve all the public, black, white or any other colour. If you were black and your house had just been burgled how would you feel about calling an organisation which tolerated its staff racially abusing people? Would you have any confidence in them? How would you feel about paying your council tax to fund an organisation which tolerated its staff treating you with contempt based upon the colour of your skin?
If police officers had been caught stealing no-one would have any qualms about condemning their actions but apparently beating up a black man solely because of the colour of his skin then trying to prosecute him with no justification is alright.
I'll repost this - Police officers have to serve all the public, black, white or any other colour. If you were black and your house had just been burgled how would you feel about calling an organisation which tolerated its staff racially abusing people? Would you have any confidence in them? How would you feel about paying your council tax to fund an organisation which tolerated its staff treating you with contempt based upon the colour of your skin?
fido said:
That's not the same situation. It would gave to be a white off-duty firefighter in a suit and driving a [black] Audi getting treated the same as a group of white yobbos approaching a van full of black policemen. I'd say that sounds pretty much as bad.
I see so we now assume its a race issue because it was a bunch of white officers and he is black. ever noticed how its always blacks and "ethnic minorities" crying racism.The difficulty is that you can't have it all ways.
Let's say you live in a white area and you come home one day and as you go through your front door you see a burglar exiting via the back windows.
You only see the back of his head and you notice that he's black.
You call the Police and you go on a drive around the area and 5 minutes later you see a black guy walking around.
Would you honestly expect the Police to do nothing because to do so would be racist, or would you make a link that this chap meets the profile of the guy that you caught burgling your house?
Personally I simply don't see that as being racist any more than if the burglar had ginger hair and you decided to stop every ginger person you saw in the area.
Where it's unacceptable is when you kick the st out of them and then try and charge them with offences you made up.
Let's say you live in a white area and you come home one day and as you go through your front door you see a burglar exiting via the back windows.
You only see the back of his head and you notice that he's black.
You call the Police and you go on a drive around the area and 5 minutes later you see a black guy walking around.
Would you honestly expect the Police to do nothing because to do so would be racist, or would you make a link that this chap meets the profile of the guy that you caught burgling your house?
Personally I simply don't see that as being racist any more than if the burglar had ginger hair and you decided to stop every ginger person you saw in the area.
Where it's unacceptable is when you kick the s
t out of them and then try and charge them with offences you made up.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff