Police face racism scandal after black man records abuse
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S10 GTA said:
Marf said:
S10 GTA said:
I doubt this is the whole story. The suspect clearly failed the attitude test too...
So failing the attitude test is a green light for racial abuse?Moron.
Moron
I fail to see the relevance of the suspect failing the attitude test in this story, or why you brought it up. Feel free to explain it for the benefit of the class.
12gauge said:
So said yoof baits the police officer, police officer rises to it, uses the n-word once and then says 'dont play the race card'
He should apologize to the yoof for using the n-word, and that should be that.
I'd agree if it was an angry outburst during a scuffle, or following a torrent of abuse from the suspect. It wasn't though, it was a very clear, pointed, racist statement. The n word isn't the point, to my mind. It's an incidental matter. The implication that he'll "always be a He should apologize to the yoof for using the n-word, and that should be that.
" and therefore somehow inferior and less deserving of fair treatment is far worse.The accusation that he's hiding behind his black skin is a little more interesting, and suggests that race was in some way a topic before the piece of recording attached to the story.
I'm keeping a pretty open mind on this, as the edited recording, the fact the CPS initially decided it wasn't worth proceeding and the fact the Guardian spoke to the suspect and decided it was all point towards there being more to the story than we are hearing.
Shouldave known he was being recorded when the youth kept saying his badge number.
Shame really as in the couple of dealings I've had with the met since one was a right they have improved so much. Suppose there is so many of them your always going to get a few knuckle draggers slip through the recruitment net.
Shame really as in the couple of dealings I've had with the met since one was a right
they have improved so much. Suppose there is so many of them your always going to get a few knuckle draggers slip through the recruitment net. I'm going to stab a bet at there being coloured officers present and the word having been used by all with comments of 'is it cause I is black' and the like having been made.
In fact I might even have a side bet the one that did the strangling was coloured hence the reason calling him a not being a problem. 
word having been used by all with comments of 'is it cause I is black' and the like having been made.In fact I might even have a side bet the one that did the strangling was coloured hence the reason calling him a
not being a problem. Marf said:
I fail to see the relevance of the suspect failing the attitude test in this story, or why you brought it up. Feel free to explain it for the benefit of the class.
AJS- said:
paddyhasneeds said:
I'm not sure I can see how being in a scuffle or "heat of the moment" makes it acceptable to call someone a ?
It doesn't. It does make it a much different - and more trivial - matter than what the officer appears to be saying though.?(Edited for stupid fingers)
Edited by paddyhasneeds on Saturday 31st March 13:00
paddyhasneeds said:
AJS- said:
paddyhasneeds said:
I'm not sure I can see how being in a scuffle or "heat of the moment" makes it acceptable to call someone a ?
It doesn't. It does make it a much different - and more trivial - matter than what the officer appears to be saying though.?d, ginger of Scottish fker. It's angry, throwaway nonsense. Coolly and calmly telling him he'll always be a suggests a real innate racism against people because of their skin colour. And obviously no, I don't buy into the prevailing wisdom that "
" is the most offensive word in the English language and it's very utterance renders the speaker a pariah unfit for life in the modern world. I think forming your decisions based on negative stereotypes about whole demographics is far worse, and in the case of a police officer, dangerous.AJS- said:
paddyhasneeds said:
AJS- said:
paddyhasneeds said:
I'm not sure I can see how being in a scuffle or "heat of the moment" makes it acceptable to call someone a ?
It doesn't. It does make it a much different - and more trivial - matter than what the officer appears to be saying though.?d, ginger of Scottish fker. It's angry, throwaway nonsense. Coolly and calmly telling him he'll always be a suggests a real innate racism against people because of their skin colour. And obviously no, I don't buy into the prevailing wisdom that "
" is the most offensive word in the English language and it's very utterance renders the speaker a pariah unfit for life in the modern world. I think forming your decisions based on negative stereotypes about whole demographics is far worse, and in the case of a police officer, dangerous.I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a
and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.Maybe he was referencing the Chris Rock routine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_vs._Black_Peop...
EDLT said:
I guessed it would be the Met before opening the link. Why is it does that force get involved in so many scandals, is it just because they are the biggest or do they really act like it is the wild west in London?
As one of the few people living in London who is actually a Londoner and can inform you that there are an enormous number of total s living here. The Met have to deal with more
scum than any other force. Day in, day out they are abused by this filth. Filth that spans all strata of London society.
On top of this you will obviously get bad apples and in some stations pervading bad attitudes.
I would be asking whether the CPS made their judgement on the full facts whereas we only have twisted media propaganda to currently work with.
Personally I would be very happy to see the Met allowed to batton filth across the teeth as I am sick and tired of my home city being a haven for filth.
[devils advocate]It could be the case that the suspect was using the N word repeatedly. Things like "You cops always pick on us N*****s", implying that "N******s" would be a word for people who want to show they are badly treated by the police and who play the 'victim' or 'race card'. The police officer then responds to this 'playing the victim' by using the phrase "You'll always be a N*****" to mean that this person will always want to play the victim. And the officer is only repeating the N word which had already been used multiple times by the suspect. This would explain the gaps in the recording (the baiting/victim playing/suspect himself using the N word) and also the response that the officer then falls back to which is "Don't hide behind your skin colour", another possible reference to playing the victime.[/devils advocate]
We all know that the officers use of the word is unacceptable, but in the above I've tried to explain a potential scenario where it could have come up as a direct response to baiting. I'm not putting this forward as my belief of what happened, or even the most likely version, but simply 'a version' of what 'might' have happened.
We all know that the officers use of the word is unacceptable, but in the above I've tried to explain a potential scenario where it could have come up as a direct response to baiting. I'm not putting this forward as my belief of what happened, or even the most likely version, but simply 'a version' of what 'might' have happened.
paddyhasneeds said:
I don't think those examples are comparable tbh.
I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.
I have to say I agree. It's not a word that should be in your vocabulary as a police officer. I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a
and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.If I'm in that bad a situation the person is just a
or a fking etc. id never mention ethnicity as that has no bearing on them being s or wkers. Sorry for the bad language.
paddyhasneeds said:
I don't think those examples are comparable tbh.
I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.
I have to say I agree. It's not a word that should be in your vocabulary as a police officer. I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a
and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.If I'm in that bad a situation the person is just a
or a fking etc. id never mention ethnicity as that has no bearing on them being s or wkers. Sorry for the bad language.
paddyhasneeds said:
I don't think those examples are comparable tbh.
I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.
Why not? It's just a word that is negatively descriptive of a certain group of people. I'm not the politically correct sort at all, but you just can't call someone a
and then say "Terribly sorry, heat of the moment" and forget about it.Not pleasant, but not the same as a considered negative perception of a group of people that informs the behaviour and decisions as a policeman. No problem with him holding those opinions in private, but expressing them in the course of his duty as a policeman is not acceptable. An outburst of anger giving rise to them is not acceptable either, but more forgivable.
Deva Link said:
AJS- said:
The implication that he'll "always be a " and therefore somehow inferior and less deserving of fair treatment is far worse.
..but is that any worse than saying a white person will always be chav, or lowlife scum, or whatever?" and therefore somehow inferior and less deserving of fair treatment is far worse.mrmr96][devils advocate said:
It could be the case that the suspect was using the N word repeatedly. Things like "You cops always pick on us N*****s", implying that "N******s" would be a word for people who want to show they are badly treated by the police and who play the 'victim' or 'race card'. The police officer then responds to this 'playing the victim' by using the phrase "You'll always be a N*****" to mean that this person will always want to play the victim. And the officer is only repeating the N word which had already been used multiple times by the suspect. This would explain the gaps in the recording (the baiting/victim playing/suspect himself using the N word) and also the response that the officer then falls back to which is "Don't hide behind your skin colour", another possible reference to playing the victime.[/devils advocate]
We all know that the officers use of the word is unacceptable, but in the above I've tried to explain a potential scenario where it could have come up as a direct response to baiting. I'm not putting this forward as my belief of what happened, or even the most likely version, but simply 'a version' of what 'might' have happened.
Given the lack of action from the CPS, I suspect that might be the case. Would be interesting to hear their reasoning though.We all know that the officers use of the word is unacceptable, but in the above I've tried to explain a potential scenario where it could have come up as a direct response to baiting. I'm not putting this forward as my belief of what happened, or even the most likely version, but simply 'a version' of what 'might' have happened.
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