Fuel Strike Theory..........

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jonah35

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3,940 posts

158 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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the final quarter of last year ended up negative growth.
you need two consecutive quarters of negative growth to be in recession.
therefore the growth in jan/feb/march this year defines whether or not we are in recession. If the figure for growth is positive we aren't in recession, if it's negative we are in recession.
we are waiting for this figure.

Therefore, do any of you think that given that the fuel strikes/panic buying was done in the last week in march (the last week of the quarter) and government people were advocating buying more fuel but a strike has not been announced that this could have been an idea to stoke growth?

could this be the extra injection the economy needed to prevent us from slipping into recession?


davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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I guess it'll be somewhere around £0.5bn extra (25 million motorists, extra £20 of fuel at a guess) which I suppose might make a dent.

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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No.

Not sure how productive people sat in a queue is...

98elise

26,644 posts

162 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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You need to take the tin foil hat off, no more fuel is being used than normal.

If anything less is being used because some people can't get any.

Cyder

7,058 posts

221 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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Have I gone back in time to last Thursday?

CBR JGWRR

6,536 posts

150 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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The petrol was going to be bought anyway.

What changed was how the petrol was bought.

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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CBR JGWRR said:
The petrol was going to be bought anyway.
Yep, but not in this financial year, which is (I think) the OPs point.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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Crafty_ said:
CBR JGWRR said:
The petrol was going to be bought anyway.
Yep, but not in this financial year, which is (I think) the OPs point.
Every business I've ever worked in has had a terrible April because of this sort of thing.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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johnfm said:
No.

Not sure how productive people sat in a queue is...
remind me what 20% 0f sfa is?

NO, it's all gamesmanship, politics etc.

Corsair7

20,911 posts

248 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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jonah35 said:
the final quarter of last year ended up negative growth.
you need two consecutive quarters of negative growth to be in recession.
therefore the growth in jan/feb/march this year defines whether or not we are in recession. If the figure for growth is positive we aren't in recession, if it's negative we are in recession.
we are waiting for this figure.

Therefore, do any of you think that given that the fuel strikes/panic buying was done in the last week in march (the last week of the quarter) and government people were advocating buying more fuel but a strike has not been announced that this could have been an idea to stoke growth?

could this be the extra injection the economy needed to prevent us from slipping into recession?
People scared of a fuel strike tend not to travel quite so much.... and therefore not spend so much.

I think this would be rather counter productive. Additionally, I doubt if any more fuel was bought over the last week than would have been bought anyway. It was just all bought on TWednesday/Thursday, and then very little was bought on Friday/Saturday because the pumps were dry.

martin84

5,366 posts

154 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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I heard this theory last week and as much as I criticise the Government's handling of this and believe its been hi-jacked to attack Labour, I dont feel it has anything to do with quarterly figures.

They've probably gained about £100million extra in tax this week than they planned. The AA reckoned Wednesday was worth £32million in tax by itself.

To put it in perspective, the NHS costs £14million an hour.

surveyor

17,845 posts

185 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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CBR JGWRR said:
The petrol was going to be bought anyway.

What changed was how the petrol was bought.
Not so sure.

I've definitely used less Petrol because of this st. Some trips that I might well have driven are by train instead.

Probably keep it up until I am happy that stocks are back to normal. My guess is overall usage will be reduced.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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CBR JGWRR said:
The petrol was going to be bought anyway.

What changed was how the petrol was bought.
It's about the timing of it - or if you prefer the phasing.
Totally agree net impact would be nill.

I made this very point in the petrol thread specifically that it's a shrewd move by the Govt to get a lot of additional duty and vat from fuel sales into it's coffers for the quarter end so I was on about Govt borrowing rather than recession.


The Hypno-Toad

12,287 posts

206 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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Or.....

The government engineered the shortages so that they would get lots of lovely fuel duty in right now.

Then when they announce that the 3 pence duty rise is going to be suspended/delayed later in the year they will have already got some money in the bank.

Just a thought.....

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

177 months

0a

23,901 posts

195 months

Sunday 1st April 2012
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Lots of this kind of thing over on Comment is Free, they are getting less rational and more rabid by the week there.

1point7bar

1,305 posts

149 months

Monday 2nd April 2012
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The power is in the threat to strike. Actually doing it undermines the need for more union bureaucracy, thus unlikely.

1981linley

937 posts

148 months

Monday 2nd April 2012
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No, no....you have it all wrong...the government engineered it so they could have their Thatcher moment, stockpiling loads of the commodity the strikers have in their possession, in her case a solid fuel, coal, in theirs liquid fuel, so that the impact of any strike would be minimal a everyone would have more than enough to get by on, thus breaking the power of the Unions.

Dixie68

3,091 posts

188 months

Monday 2nd April 2012
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Why are you obsessed with Maggie, Linley?

Cyder

7,058 posts

221 months

Monday 2nd April 2012
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Dixie68 said:
Why are you obsessed with Maggie, Linley?
Stole 'is milk before closing t'pit. Probably shot his whippet and sold his flat cap too ey bah gum lad. hehe