Tip of The Iceberg - The Beginning Of The End For Britain ?
Discussion
LordFlathead said:
davepoth said:
tank slapper said:
Why is it poor? It's part of a BBC documentary, and it was an organised march. They weren't saying that they just "came across" it. The person it's been posted by obviously has an agenda, but the documentary didn't really - it examined both sides of the situation.
Yes, but the OP asked us to comment upon the video as presented. I've not seen the whole documentary. The voiceover said "It didn't take long to witness the extremism I'd heard about" before cutting to what was on the face of it a well organised march, and that's misleading and inflammatory IMO.Try and read between the lines for both sides and you will see the dilemma. The trick is recognising where the propaganda starts, and I for one, have no idea!
Do you have a link to the whole documentary? I am totally unaware of this.
In context, the situation is obviously not as extreme as that clip makes it appear. She spent quite a time talking to members of the muslim community in Luton and it's clear that many of them hold the people in that march in as much contempt as anyone else. There is a part in the film where she dresses in muslim dress and walks around with a few other women, and receives some quite unpleasant and totally unnecessary comments from passers by. There is definitely a problem but I think it is one that stems from both sides, and arises mainly through ignorance. Those with more extreme views on both sides are taking advantage of that to stir up trouble.
The EDL guy tries to sound reasonable, but most of his argument seems to come down to the fact that he doesn't like people who are different, and so therefore they must change to fit his expectations.
LordFlathead said:
Agreed but there are no laws (in this Western country) on how she should dress, so why should she not voice her opinion given that she is entitled to her freedom of speech and freedom to choose any religion she pleases in this western country?
When her grandfathers fought and died in defense of this country then she can have her freedom of speach. The UK is far too quick to give rights and freedoms to people who don't deserve them.Where else in the world would that total disregard for local laws, and statute be so openly flaunted..?
The chanting against either individuals or groups of the community is difficult to watch and hear, what else are they doing but inciting agressive behaviour whilst disregarding the beliefs and faith of local citizens and nationalities.
I am NOT shocked though TBH.
Living in the USA, I would be very very surprised is this type of group chanting and marching would be accepted.
There are so many more Police that would be surrounding them, with GUNS....
The chanting against either individuals or groups of the community is difficult to watch and hear, what else are they doing but inciting agressive behaviour whilst disregarding the beliefs and faith of local citizens and nationalities.
I am NOT shocked though TBH.
Living in the USA, I would be very very surprised is this type of group chanting and marching would be accepted.
There are so many more Police that would be surrounding them, with GUNS....
Alex said:
All religious people are irrational by definition. There's no point trying to understand them.
.Hi Alex,
I couldn't agree more.
It seems that the Muslims just have to take all their religious stuff one step further all the time.
Always wanting the last word, always wanting the last deed, always trying to make a point that the only viable religion for every one is a "Muslim" religion.
Where is it going to end, ?
Can it end ?
Have us in UK as a Christian country given the Muslim religion too much already?
How much of what they say and do here in UK, or the West, would be tolerated by Westerners in their home lands ?
vette
The people featured in that video are only ever going to be in the minority. If they confine themselves to certain areas, then they solve the problem. If you know where they are likely to pop up, you can avoid those areas, when they pop up. All that normal thinking people have to do is ignore them. 'Be British lads' to quote someone involved in another infamous iceberg related event. If you react to their s
t, they win.
t, they win.CommanderJameson said:
Bing o said:
When her grandfathers fought and died in defense of this country then she can have her freedom of speach. The UK is far too quick to give rights and freedoms to people who don't deserve them.
That's one way to miss the point of what my grandparents fought for, I suppose.Bing o said:
CommanderJameson said:
Bing o said:
When her grandfathers fought and died in defense of this country then she can have her freedom of speach. The UK is far too quick to give rights and freedoms to people who don't deserve them.
That's one way to miss the point of what my grandparents fought for, I suppose.This isn't a debate about courtesy.
Everyone should be able to voice their beliefs but shutting a road and allowing hundreds of people to abuse the country they live in seems wrong. I don't think religion should be removed completely but surely in 2012 it shouldn't be allowed to be such a vocal thing religion should be private when it's public it only seems to cause conflict. Also isn't there a law against saying things like British police burn in hell?
Hmmm - just watched the video.
I suspect most of the protestors are ex Al-Mahajaroon [sp?] rent-a-mob from London rather than locals... the ignorant tool she was debating with at the end looked like Anjem Choudary [Chowdary ?] from Al-M ...though I could be wrong.
Race relations are generally pretty good in Luton.
I suspect most of the protestors are ex Al-Mahajaroon [sp?] rent-a-mob from London rather than locals... the ignorant tool she was debating with at the end looked like Anjem Choudary [Chowdary ?] from Al-M ...though I could be wrong.
Race relations are generally pretty good in Luton.
Small mob really and most of them where probably the intelligence service or plain clothed police. To be fair the bloody christians annoy me more, at least muslims don't come by my door wanting to talk to me about their dog*.
Although...religion is probably one of the few things that could be taxed and yet increase public support for the government
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Edit: * By dog I mean god of course but I'm going to leave the mistake there.
Although...religion is probably one of the few things that could be taxed and yet increase public support for the government
.Edit: * By dog I mean god of course but I'm going to leave the mistake there.
The girl in the video didnt know if she should be excited that she was told she was dressed to seduce or offended. She knew she struck gold though as she repeated it over and over and put on her "I dont belieeeeeeve it" face. I would say muzzies are called terrorists as much as white girls are called wes.
IMHO as an outsider looking in I dont think a pissweak rally saying police should go to hell is as off-putting as the riots last year.
es. IMHO as an outsider looking in I dont think a pissweak rally saying police should go to hell is as off-putting as the riots last year.
Tyrewrecker said:
thinfourth2 said:
Sorry not even vaguely bothered about a few extremists fkwits living in a sthole
Clearly kwits living in a sthole 
kwits and there always will be shouty fkwits.I just try to keep myself away from the shouty f
kwits.I can't see shouty f
kwits taking over the UKIf you live in an area that is full of shouty f
kwits then maybe you belive that shouty fkwits are in the majority, they aren't they are just shouty fkwits who in their very nature of being shouty fkwits appear to be far more numerous then they are.So step away from the mass media who make millions out of selling shouty f
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