BBC Breakfast News this morning. All about the Titanic.

[over_the_hill]

Interesting graph here showing survival rates for different classes, sex etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7937382.stm

1st and 2nd class women faired best, 1st and 2nd class men more perished than lived.

[Ayahuasca]

over_the_hill said:

Interesting graph here showing survival rates for different classes, sex etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7937382.stm

1st and 2nd class women faired best, 1st and 2nd class men more perished than lived.

Is anyone surprised by that?

[Noger]

Regiment said:

over_the_hill said:

Probably because if you are sunk by a Sub it's the crafty Hun sneaking up on you which just isn't cricket, whereas if you hit a mine it's the bloke driving not looking where he's going.

The Titanic sinking 'only' killed 1500 or so people, the sinking of the Lusitania is one of the primary reasons for the USA entering 'The Great War'. There was never anything special about the Titanic other than it hit a block of ice and sank, there were far bigger ships just a short while later like the Queen Mary that dwarfed the Titanic and went on to have many years of great service, ferring passengers, cargo and troops.

But that ignores the context of Edwardian thinking at the time.

Britannia had an empire. Britannia ruled the waves. Science and engineering was to the fore. You could travel the Atlantic in huge comfort and barely feel the ocean. Man had conquered nature.

The Titanic is important, symbolically, as it signalled the end of an era and ushered in a fairly miserable time for the world.

[Ayahuasca]

Noger said:

Regiment said:

over_the_hill said:

Probably because if you are sunk by a Sub it's the crafty Hun sneaking up on you which just isn't cricket, whereas if you hit a mine it's the bloke driving not looking where he's going.

The Titanic sinking 'only' killed 1500 or so people, the sinking of the Lusitania is one of the primary reasons for the USA entering 'The Great War'. There was never anything special about the Titanic other than it hit a block of ice and sank, there were far bigger ships just a short while later like the Queen Mary that dwarfed the Titanic and went on to have many years of great service, ferring passengers, cargo and troops.

But that ignores the context of Edwardian thinking at the time.

Britannia had an empire. Britannia ruled the waves. Science and engineering was to the fore. You could travel the Atlantic in huge comfort and barely feel the ocean. Man had conquered nature.

The Titanic is important, symbolically, as it signalled the end of an era and ushered in a fairly miserable time for the world.

Most would agree that the era you describe ended with the start of the First World War that killed millions, transformed nations, empowered women, revolutionised labour relations, sparked revolutions, and saw the rise of Communist Russia.

But if you are going with the accidental sinking of a passenger ship, OK.

[ViperPict]

over_the_hill said:

Interesting graph here showing survival rates for different classes, sex etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7937382.stm

1st and 2nd class women faired best, 1st and 2nd class men more perished than lived.

Male member of the crew - forget it!

[Regiment]

Ayahuasca said:

Most would agree that the era you describe ended with the start of the First World War that killed millions, transformed nations, empowered women, revolutionised labour relations, sparked revolutions, and saw the rise of Communist Russia.

But if you are going with the accidental sinking of a passenger ship, OK.

I would also agree that it was World War 1 brought that about, especially I'd say women's rights, etc, with women being placed into the work place to do men's jobs.

[over_the_hill]

ViperPict said:

over_the_hill said:

Interesting graph here showing survival rates for different classes, sex etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7937382.stm

1st and 2nd class women faired best, 1st and 2nd class men more perished than lived.

Male member of the crew - forget it!

Looks like about 20% survived. I guess a certain number of male crew were put in each of the life boats so if this was your assigned task it was your lucky day.

[Ayahuasca]

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

[jmorgan]

Ayahuasca said:

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

Change cloths, shave beard, wear a dress......

[over_the_hill]

Ayahuasca said:

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

He should have slowed down in the first place and not been going so fast with risk of icebergs, then the hole in the side of the ship would have been shorter/smaller, less compartments would have flooded and it would have stayed afloat.

You see speed kills - oh hang on a minute this is PH

[g3org3y]

Ayahuasca said:

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

Would not report to insurance company for fear for sky high premiums.

[Derek Smith]

Ayahuasca said:

Most would agree that the era you describe ended with the start of the First World War that killed millions, transformed nations, empowered women, revolutionised labour relations, sparked revolutions, and saw the rise of Communist Russia.

But if you are going with the accidental sinking of a passenger ship, OK.

Not a big disagreement but I think you will find that WWI did nothing for labour relations and little or nothing to empower women. If anything it delayed those under 30 getting the vote by some 10 years.

With the mass unemployment that started just after the war and the way the government handled the situation this country was in a worse state by the 30s than 12 years earlier. There are arguments about whether WWII changed the attitude to women but from what I've read it was the 60s that really started the change.

[Noger]

Ayahuasca said:

Most would agree that the era you describe ended with the start of the First World War that killed millions, transformed nations, empowered women, revolutionised labour relations, sparked revolutions, and saw the rise of Communist Russia.

But if you are going with the accidental sinking of a passenger ship, OK.

Yes, things certainly got a lot worse ! But most historians see the Titanic as signalling the beginning of the beginning of the end. Didn't cause it, but started people thinking that they maybe were not quite as in control as they liked to think.

Suffragists were probably at their height of militant behaviour around the same time as the Titanic.

[A.J.M]

Ayahuasca said:

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

Are we ramming it in the way it happened or how we would have hit it?
I would have rammed it head on as the damaged sections wouldnt have been past the 4th compartment. Ship would be a mess but if the water and damage was to the 4 forward compartments and no more. The ship would float.

Then I could put in the biggest whiplash claim ever for me and my 2200 odd passengers! : hehe:

[B Huey]

over_the_hill said:

He should have slowed down in the first place and not been going so fast with risk of icebergs, then the hole in the side of the ship would have been shorter/smaller, less compartments would have flooded and it would have stayed afloat.

You see speed kills - oh hang on a minute this is PH

I heard that if they had hit the iceberg head-on it wouldn't have sank.

[Ayahuasca]

Maybe the captain should have asked his wife to take the points.

[dmulally]

Ayahuasca said:

OK, so you're on the Titanic and you have just hit the iceberg.

You are the captain.

What do you do?

I would hijack the first lifeboat to the nearest island. Then I would order the first horseless carriage I found to take me somewhere that sold socks.

[M3333]

Again now on BBC Breakfast.

Filming at the Titanic cemetary in Halifax, New Jersey.

Crowds of people crying, throwing themselves around unmarked graves of people they did not even know.

FFS.

[CommanderJameson]

M3333 said:

Again now on BBC Breakfast.

Filming at the Titanic cemetary in Halifax, New Jersey.

Crowds of people crying, throwing themselves around unmarked graves of people they did not even know.

FFS.

How very Diana of them.

[dmulally]

M3333 said:

Again now on BBC Breakfast.

Filming at the Titanic cemetary in Halifax, New Jersey.

Crowds of people crying, throwing themselves around unmarked graves of people they did not even know.

FFS.

I love quality entertainment like that. I wonder if this will be them in the future...