Lib Dems fall behind UKIP

[powerstroke]

Jasandjules said:

Well if the Tories don't drop this AGW bu***t then I hope they are out on their a**s. Sadly, the only real alternative to that is UKIP.

No dont do it it will just let labour in!!!

[marcosgt]

powerstroke said:

Jasandjules said:

Well if the Tories don't drop this AGW bu***t then I hope they are out on their a**s. Sadly, the only real alternative to that is UKIP.

No dont do it it will just let labour in!!!

Well you could always vote BNP - After all, one one trick party is much like another...

M.

[thinfourth2]

marcosgt said:

Well you could always vote BNP - After all, one one trick party is much like another...

M.

Well millions must of voted for the green party as they have 1 MP which is more then UKIP or the BNP.

Isn't our electral system great

[don4l]

Jasandjules said:

Well if the Tories don't drop this AGW bu***t then I hope they are out on their a**s. Sadly, the only real alternative to that is UKIP.

I voted UKIP at the last election! The Conservative manifesto was almost indistinguishable from the Labour one. I can see no reason why any traditional Tory would have voted for Dave Cameron.

Events since the election have only served to reinforce my opinion.

The thing that has surprised me is how many LibDems lack any kind of moral compass. Being part of the coalition has thrust them into the limelight - and the public clearly don't like what they see.

Don
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[Elroy Blue]

I voted Tory all my life. I'm voting UKIP next time. I'm sick of the status quo of same st but different coloured tie.

[12gauge]

Elroy Blue said:

I voted Tory all my life. I'm voting UKIP next time. I'm sick of the status quo of same st but different coloured tie.

Having been to a couple of UKIP events, i wouldnt bother. Theyre tories but with a bit of added anti-EU sentiment. They wont get control of immigration, they wont curtail the state, they wont reform the banks.

[thinfourth2]

Elroy Blue said:

I'm sick of the status quo of same st but different coloured tie.

Are you sure about that?

[crankedup]

No way will I be sticking my pin into 'the ass of a UKIP donkey'. They have another ten years minimum IMO to be trusted in Government. I will stick with Lib-Dem.

[12gauge]

don4l said:

The thing that has surprised me is how many LibDems lack any kind of moral compass. Being part of the coalition has thrust them into the limelight - and the public clearly don't like what they see.

Don
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Libdems exist purely as a protest vote party. It was inevitable once they become 'the establishment' their support would evaporate.

[Mojocvh]

unrepentant said:

12gauge said:

Not surprising. Labour have simply 'bought' various large segments of the electorate through financial irresponsibility. The teachers/academia, the muslims, the students, the welfare class.

EH???

have another one!

Your highlighted group are the only lot that appear to be unconnected with the financial system per se and good luck to them if they can make money "their" way nice to see a bit of independence!! [cue viper tic in a minute]

[Einion Yrth]

crankedup said:

No way will I be sticking my pin into 'the ass of a UKIP donkey'. They have another ten years minimum IMO to be trusted in Government. I will stick with Lib-Dem.

So you'll vote for a party for which we have evidence that it is a disaster in government over one that might be a disaster in government. Hmmm...

[crankedup]

Einion Yrth said:

crankedup said:

No way will I be sticking my pin into 'the ass of a UKIP donkey'. They have another ten years minimum IMO to be trusted in Government. I will stick with Lib-Dem.

So you'll vote for a party for which we have evidence that it is a disaster in government over one that might be a disaster in government. Hmmm...

Not everything being done by the coalition is a disaster, and that's thanks to Lib-Dems! As for your evidence, huh, its to easy to take a retrospective look and pick holes. If the Lib-Dems hadn't moved on some of the manifesto promises then the coalition Government would have collapsed within months of election with all of the consequences following. So as a LD supporter obviously I am disappointed that some of our ideals have been watered down and some left at the wayside, but that's politics.

[GroundEffect]

UKIP are a pack of idiots. I mean, bloody hell, their science representative is Lord Mockton ffs AND they promote homeopathy on the NHS.

Bunch of mentalists.

[Elroy Blue]

If voting UKIP makes the current Tory MPs sit up and take notice of the incompetent shower at the head of the party, then it's worth it.

But then again, most seem to turn into robots once they get their feet under the table. (On which they rest their expenses sheet)

[pilchardthecat]

Elroy Blue said:

If voting UKIP makes the current Tory MPs sit up and take notice of the incompetent shower at the head of the party, then it's worth it.

It didn't work at the last election. The torys would have a majority now instead of a coalition, but they are still just as pro-EU as the last lot.

[julian64]

Mojocvh said:

Kerschring.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17724415

fk em, will we EVER have a pm that has the interests of British people at their heart?

I think you'll find it is closing a loophole that the rich use to pay themselves more money at lower tax rates.

I don't think the tories have it in for charity, that is just a side effect of going after tax avoidance.

Why do you think people donate large sums to charity, because large corporate business has a nice squshy heart underneath it all?

I think you want to look a bit deeper.

[mattnunn]

julian64 said:

Mojocvh said:

Kerschring.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17724415

fk em, will we EVER have a pm that has the interests of British people at their heart?

I think you'll find it is closing a loophole that the rich use to pay themselves more money at lower tax rates.

I don't think the tories have it in for charity, that is just a side effect of going after tax avoidance.

Why do you think people donate large sums to charity, because large corporate business has a nice squshy heart underneath it all?

I think you want to look a bit deeper.

Probaby not the thread I was looking for but...

I see no reason why tax relief should be given at all on money donated to charity, especially foreign charitable donations.

Seriously what's so good, morally, about charity, surely the need for charity reflects a failure of governmental systems to provide essential and necessary service to the population.

Charity represents a one way transaction, it's unsustainable as an economic system, it should not be encouraged, it's the financial equivalent of perpetual motion, not to mention it's massively open to corruption.

[Mojocvh]

"Seriously what's so good, morally, about charity"

Well I never.

If we take a wee sidestep away from the charidee gig,

Can't you see a little bit of communism creeping into the way the treasury has liked onto the ability of people to actually dispose of their own monies the way they see fit?

Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 17th April 17:01

[Puggit]

Mojocvh said:

"Seriously what's so good, morally, about charity"

Well I never.

It's for another thread - but his point is good. The government should look after everyone to a standard where charity is unnecessary.

[scenario8]

Philanthropy has been around pretty much forever but it's easy to point to many of the grandiose philanthropic projects of the Victorians as being worthy of mention. Plenty of examples there for that poster to mull over.

The third sector has been seen as a valid provider for centuries, sometimes complimenting activity in the private and/or public sectors, and sometimes supplanting the public/private sectors.

This current government (as the one before) has tried hard to encourage the third sector in the provision of public "good".

I'm a little surprised to see it referred to as an admission of failure of the public sector on PHeads. I would have thought philanthropy would be seen as A Good Thing here.