Livingstone leaps to defence of Bin Laden

[obob]

TheHeretic said:

85Carrera said:

Without wishing to be portrayed as a pinko leftist tt (which I'm not, by the way - well, I'm not a pinko leftist anyway ...) I think it is ridiculous to suppose that just because someone is a Muslim they will (a) support bin laden and (b) be swayed by the fairly transparent and insulting attempts of red ken to pander to the Muslim vote

No-one has said that at all. However, politicians do not say things for no reason whatsoever, more so if there is no gain to be made. Everything politicians say has been thought about, formed, recormed, and moulded behind the acenes. By publicly voicing 'support' for Bin Laden, (not support per say, more that he shouldn't have been shot), it does suggest that he said it for a reason. What do you think that is?

My simple concern is that there is enough support for this issue in segments of the population that it deemed worthy to speak about.

I don't think he is voicing support for Bin laden, just saying things should have been done differently so we can claim the moral high ground which is fair enough. TBH I doubt whether 99% of muslims could give a flying fk if OBL is tried by jury or shot dead.

[0000]

85Carrera said:

He is a scumbag, but what he says about bin laden being brought to trial is right, unfortunately.

How can we take the moral high ground against his type if we stoop to their level?

The US spent a fortune chasing him and found him in in a compound in Pakistan, who were suspected of knowingly harbouring him, down the road from a military base. An awful lot of people have died because of him, and then some.

I don't think it was immoral or stooping to their level to take the quickest route available to ensure he was there and put an end to him with minimum collateral.

[TheHeretic]

obob said:

I don't think he is voicing support for Bin laden, just saying things should have been done differently so we can claim the moral high ground which is fair enough. TBH I doubt whether 99% of muslims could give a flying fk if OBL is tried by jury or shot dead.

Erm, I stated quite clearly that his 'support' was regarding the shooting. I presume you missed that bit?

I wouldn't be sure about your 99% number by the way. Plenty of surveys suggest otherwise.

[carmonk]

obob said:

TheHeretic said:

85Carrera said:

Without wishing to be portrayed as a pinko leftist tt (which I'm not, by the way - well, I'm not a pinko leftist anyway ...) I think it is ridiculous to suppose that just because someone is a Muslim they will (a) support bin laden and (b) be swayed by the fairly transparent and insulting attempts of red ken to pander to the Muslim vote

No-one has said that at all. However, politicians do not say things for no reason whatsoever, more so if there is no gain to be made. Everything politicians say has been thought about, formed, recormed, and moulded behind the acenes. By publicly voicing 'support' for Bin Laden, (not support per say, more that he shouldn't have been shot), it does suggest that he said it for a reason. What do you think that is?

My simple concern is that there is enough support for this issue in segments of the population that it deemed worthy to speak about.

I don't think he is voicing support for Bin laden, just saying things should have been done differently so we can claim the moral high ground which is fair enough. TBH I doubt whether 99% of muslims could give a flying fk if OBL is tried by jury or shot dead.

You'd be surprised at how many Muslims would willingly relinquish ownership of their flying fks. Look at the polls.

[MX7]

85Carrera said:

I think if you read the earlier posts posters are suggesting exactly that, which is the sort of nonsense you'd expect in the daily mail

I hate livingstone and galloway and all their ilk but by stating that this sort of bullst appeals to all Muslims plays into these rogues hands and allows them to continue with their divisive rhetoric.

I understand what you're saying, but Galloway took a fairly similar pro-Muslim/anti-US stance, and won comfortably in Bradford.

His "Bradford Spring" bks, and "A Muslim is ready to go to the US Senate, as I did, and to their face call them murderers, liars, thieves and criminals", clearly did help to court a significant Muslim vote.

[85Carrera]

Statitistically a small proportion i suspect (OMG, is that an indication of how overrun we are with them!!!).

Most people want to able to get a job and support their families. If the can do that they tend to be happy. If they can't because they're excluded by society, they have nothing to lose and get radicalised. The same happened with working class Catholics in northern Ireland during the troubles when they were effectively excluded from the labour market.

There will always be a small proportion of radical Muslims, just as you will always have a few racists, etc but tarring everyone with the same brush exacerbates rather than solves the problem

Anyway, I come on here to read about cars (and, hands up, yesterday to wind up spurs fans) so am off to yesterday's heroes

[Blib]

Not exactly comparable. But, the Israelis tracked Eichmann down, kidnapped him and put him on trial.

[TheHeretic]

85Carrera said:

Statitistically a small proportion i suspect (OMG, is that an indication of how overrun we are with them!!!).

Most people want to able to get a job and support their families. If the can do that they tend to be happy. If they can't because they're excluded by society, they have nothing to lose and get radicalised. The same happened with working class Catholics in northern Ireland during the troubles when they were effectively excluded from the labour market.

There will always be a small proportion of radical Muslims, just as you will always have a few racists, etc but tarring everyone with the same brush exacerbates rather than solves the problem

Anyway, I come on here to read about cars (and, hands up, yesterday to wind up spurs fans) so am off to yesterday's heroes

No-one is tarring everyone with the same brush. No-one has said all Muslims are terrorist supporters, Bin Laden types, or anything of that description.

[Victor McDade]

So Ken has said pretty much what Boris said in 2001

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3...

I'm on the fence on this once. There must have been operational reasons which meant taking OBL alive would be very very difficult. Moreover, he declared war on the US and others. Killing an enemy in combat is hardly the same as an extra juducial killing imo.

[Hackney]

zip929 said:

I believe Bin Laden got what was coming to him. It swings in roundabouts, give it out it catches up eventually.

It what?

It's swings and roundabouts, perhaps?
But I think you actually mean: what goes around comes around

[Ozzie Osmond]

"Labour’s candidate for Mayor of London said western democratic values could only be demonstrated through open justice and a fair trial, even for figures such as the late al Qaeda leader."

Yup, can't disagree with that.

[CBR JGWRR]

Responding to claims that he appeared tired, the 66-year-old added: “I have lost a stone in weight on this campaign. I went for my annual medical and the doctor almost had an orgasm because I am so fit.”

:facepalm:

ETA - Article, half way down second section.

Bit of advice Livingstone - not for public consupmtion.

[carmonk]

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

[CBR JGWRR]

carmonk said:

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

Livingstonian Hypocrisy?

[carmonk]

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

Livingstonian Hypocrisy?

On the right track; Livingstonian ultrapocrisy maybe, although I feel the word 'mega' needs to be fitted in somewhere...

[CBR JGWRR]

carmonk said:

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

Livingstonian Hypocrisy?

On the right track; Livingstonian ultrapocrisy maybe, although I feel the word 'mega' needs to be fitted in somewhere...

Livingstonian omegapocrisy.

Can't get much worse than that...

[carmonk]

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

Livingstonian Hypocrisy?

On the right track; Livingstonian ultrapocrisy maybe, although I feel the word 'mega' needs to be fitted in somewhere...

Livingstonian omegapocrisy.

Can't get much worse than that...

Has a nice end-of-the-world ring to it, a hypocrisy so searingly apocalyptic it could actually destroy the universe.

[CBR JGWRR]

carmonk said:

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

CBR JGWRR said:

carmonk said:

For that cretin to talk about democratic values on one hand then jerk off over Islam and Mohammad on the other is the height of hypocrisy. Actually, hypocrisy isn't strong enough, there needs to be another word invented just for him, beginning with the prefix hyper- or uber-.

Livingstonian Hypocrisy?

On the right track; Livingstonian ultrapocrisy maybe, although I feel the word 'mega' needs to be fitted in somewhere...

Livingstonian omegapocrisy.

Can't get much worse than that...

Has a nice end-of-the-world ring to it, a hypocrisy so searingly apocalyptic it could actually destroy the universe.

We've found a use for Livingstone !!!

[Lost_BMW]

Ozzie Osmond said:

"Labour’s candidate for Mayor of London said western democratic values could only be demonstrated through open justice and a fair trial, even for figures such as the late al Qaeda leader."

Yup, can't disagree with that.

Yes, you're right, naturally. The Americans should have phoned the Pakistani authorities up, told them where he was hiding (without their knowledge, obviously) asked for him to be arrested and then asked if they might kindly send him over for trial.

Yep, I'm sure that would have worked...

[12gauge]

0a said:

Can you imagine someone saying this about any other religion?

Yup. Funny how all these post-christian enlightened lefty types fall over each other to celebrate the nearest dark age faith when votes are at stake.