Young enterprenuers make $1.2m

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ben_h100

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180 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Although they are massively in the st there is something about this that I can't help but admire - maybe just the downright cheekiness of it?! biggrin

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Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Hmmm - a fraud for which they were caught red handed.

Doesn't seem that clever to me.

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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If they were on 20 litres of fizzy yoghurt per day they got their just desserts.

jaybirduk

1,867 posts

168 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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I fail to see anything to admire and certainly not deserved of the title entrepreneur

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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jaybirduk said:
I fail to see anything to admire and certainly not deserved of the title entrepreneur
Agreed. They should be entreprisoneurs.

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Interesting model.

Sell stock tips cheaply to a large volume of 'investors'.

Sell to companies the right to be a stick tip.

Sounds a bit like an IPO.

These guys are just guilty of giving unregulated advice - but I wouldn't say it was any more fraudulent than many banking and pension fund activities.

Oakey

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217 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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How does 'fraudsters' equals 'enterprenuers'?

12gauge

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175 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Oakey said:
How does 'fraudsters' equals 'enterprenuers'?
This is the financial services industry we're talking about...

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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johnfm said:
Interesting model.

Sell stock tips cheaply to a large volume of 'investors'.

Sell to companies the right to be a stick tip.

Sounds a bit like an IPO.

These guys are just guilty of giving unregulated advice - but I wouldn't say it was any more fraudulent than many banking and pension fund activities.
Really?

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Large, privately owned company (let's say an Internet based company still in burn cash mode) decide to float.

Let's call this example company mylasttweetbook.com


They engage companies to write very very very very long prospectus documents adhering to various FSMA rules* - essentially telling investors about the company. A whole bunch of sponsoring investment the. Try and flog tranches of stock to institutional investors at a price that they determine.

So, these banks are being paid by the entity that wants to sell its shares. They are then promoting these shares to institutional and private investors.

Regulated, but not fraud.

Teenagers unregulated - but not fraud.

Have they been charged with fraud?


  • and of course a large part of the prospectus will be reams of caveats ensuring that in the event of massive investor losses, it ain't nothing to do with dodgy advice - shares go up and down blah blah blah
Edited by johnfm on Saturday 21st April 14:29

Eric Mc

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266 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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The Americans want to question them about their activities - so they MIGHT be charged with fraud in the US.

The UK authorities don't seem to be that bothered.

johnfm

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251 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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I am not necessarily defending their actions by the way...but there are parallels between their actions and how the regulated market go about their business

Eric Mc

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266 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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johnfm said:
I am not necessarily defending their actions by the way...but there are parallels between their actions and how the regulated market go about their business
Certainly some of the behaviour of the so called regualted finacial iondustry has been less than savoury.

But two wrongs don't make a right and these chaps, if guilty of fraud, will pay the price - hopefully.

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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What is interesting to me is that they managed to monetize it.

They got companies to part with money.

They got investors to pay a few dollars a month for tips.

At 16-17 years old.

fido

16,805 posts

256 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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johnfm said:
I am not necessarily defending their actions by the way...but there are parallels between their actions and how the regulated market go about their business
Disagree, they were being paid fees to promote stock but not disclosing this to their clients. This is clearly a conflict of interests, and especially bad in the case of penny shares because false information can move the share price significantly. Morality and parallel issues aside, this is a clear breach of federal securities law in the US [read about microcap stocks]. They better start lubing up for prison time. As Eric says, they are not clever because they someone else has, or may have, made money at their expense - even if they are not found guilty, they may be barred from certain areas of employment.


Edited by fido on Saturday 21st April 15:13

Tyrewrecker

6,419 posts

155 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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johnfm said:
What is interesting to me is that they managed to monetize it.

They got companies to part with money.

They got investors to pay a few dollars a month for tips.

At 16-17 years old.
+1

Odd setup

Magog

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190 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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Tyrewrecker said:
Odd setup
It's worked for Goldman Sachs for years, maybe they don't like people muscling in on their territory.

alfabadass

1,852 posts

200 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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What a system.

Pick on little kids but don't bother with the adults who raped the whole world.

ben_h100

Original Poster:

1,546 posts

180 months

Sunday 22nd April 2012
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Apologies if my title was taken out of context - entrepreneur meaning more in the way of Del Boy.

But still, although what they did was downright dodgy - to think this up, get companies on board, get subscribers, and name the 'robot' after a combination of your first names, at the age of 16/17 - that I find impressive.

Comparisons on here to larger financial institutions are quite interesting.

DonkeyApple

55,408 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd April 2012
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johnfm said:
Interesting model.

Sell stock tips cheaply to a large volume of 'investors'.

Sell to companies the right to be a stick tip.

Sounds a bit like an IPO.

These guys are just guilty of giving unregulated advice - but I wouldn't say it was any more fraudulent than many banking and pension fund activities.
Hi John.

Google 'Pacific Continental' or 'Everett Financial' or 'Sky Capital' biggrin