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CommanderJameson
20,647 posts
95 months
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Odie said: Money is the root of all evil. [pedant] Radix malorum est cupiditas. The love of money is the root of all evil. [/pedant]
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CommanderJameson
20,647 posts
95 months
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On topic: if Nadine Dorries told me water was wet, I'd check anyway.
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mattnunn
4,087 posts
30 months
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It's an unsatisfactory conclusion, but true, that we're better of with wealthy succesfull people running the shop than poor unsuccesfull people.
A real government of the people would be a nightmare - I mean really, have you spoken to any poor people recently?
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
86 months
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garos said: Trommel said: garos said: So.....just how rich are they ... oh and it seems 23 of the Cabinet are individually worth a Million+. What's your point? Err, that if you are very rich, do you ever stop to consider the daily increases in petrol, bread and fags! It just so happens that we have not only the PM and chancellor that are wealthy but indeed most of the cabinet are, in fact Jeremy Hunt who might shortly lose his post is, I just read, worth some £4.5 million. Nadine Dorries as I said, might just have a point! Quick question, when compiling the "who's worth what" list, are debts being factored into the equations? I'm sure we all know of people, who have a nice house, nice cars, who we could look at and think "house is worth a million, cars £100k, they must be worth at least a million +" when the reality is the house may be worth £1m, but there is a £900k mortgage on it, cars are leased and they are a pay check or two away from losing the whole lot. It's odd, that this is suddenly an issue, most of the previous labour government, were also public school educated people, who at first glance seem to have millions in property and businesses
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IainT
8,008 posts
107 months
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Odie said: Puggit said: Odie said: Money is the root of all evil. And religion - HTH  Organised religion I agree, religion as a concept I see as having a place in society. Yup, along with the other loony ideas, in a corner being pointed and laughed at. Nadine Dorries is a right wing religious extremist, I treat her words with the contempt she deserves.
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oyster
5,198 posts
117 months
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martin84 said: Paying them less isnt particularly the answer. Plenty of people with educations like Cameron and Osborne can earn ten times more in the private sector which suggests the Oxbridge lot who end up in Government are the inferior boys in the class who couldn't get anything better. Much as I dislike the idea of career politicians, I'm not sure it's any better to assume that high-paying careers in the private sector are anymore successful. In fact, assuming career or personal achievement by way of income is rather crass.
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fido
9,383 posts
124 months
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mattnunn said: A real government of the people would be a nightmare - I mean really, have you spoken to any poor people recently? There are poor successful people (dedicated to a career that doesn't pay well) and those who are just feckless. Unfortunately, the former don't often get into politics and as you say, the latter would be as bad or worse than Gordon Brown.
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BoRED S2upid
9,428 posts
109 months
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She has a point but its an old point. Everyone has always known posh boys go into politics and run the country you only need to hear them talk all public school boys always has been always will be two jags being an exception to the rule. Someone will tell me that two jags went to Oxford im sure but I don't really care they are all as bad as each other.
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
86 months
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BoRED S2upid said: She has a point but its an old point. Everyone has always known posh boys go into politics and run the country you only need to hear them talk all public school boys always has been always will be two jags being an exception to the rule. Someone will tell me that two jags went to Oxford im sure but I don't really care they are all as bad as each other. No, 2 jags was a waiter on a cross channel ferry, then went into the unions and then into politics
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Riff Raff
2,222 posts
64 months
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AndrewW-G said: BoRED S2upid said: She has a point but its an old point. Everyone has always known posh boys go into politics and run the country you only need to hear them talk all public school boys always has been always will be two jags being an exception to the rule. Someone will tell me that two jags went to Oxford im sure but I don't really care they are all as bad as each other. No, 2 jags was a waiter on a cross channel ferry, then went into the unions and then into politics But he did graduate from Ruskin College, so he's one of the Oxbridge mafia really.
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
86 months
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Riff Raff said: AndrewW-G said: BoRED S2upid said: She has a point but its an old point. Everyone has always known posh boys go into politics and run the country you only need to hear them talk all public school boys always has been always will be two jags being an exception to the rule. Someone will tell me that two jags went to Oxford im sure but I don't really care they are all as bad as each other. No, 2 jags was a waiter on a cross channel ferry, then went into the unions and then into politics But he did graduate from Ruskin College, so he's one of the Oxbridge mafia really. But do we count Ruskin as one of the true Oxford uni's? Interesting to note that according to wiki, 2 jags actually did do a degree in economics (Hull) but failed his 11 plus 
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Riff Raff
2,222 posts
64 months
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AndrewW-G said: Riff Raff said: AndrewW-G said: BoRED S2upid said: She has a point but its an old point. Everyone has always known posh boys go into politics and run the country you only need to hear them talk all public school boys always has been always will be two jags being an exception to the rule. Someone will tell me that two jags went to Oxford im sure but I don't really care they are all as bad as each other. No, 2 jags was a waiter on a cross channel ferry, then went into the unions and then into politics But he did graduate from Ruskin College, so he's one of the Oxbridge mafia really. But do we count Ruskin as one of the true Oxford uni's? Interesting to note that according to wiki, 2 jags actually did do a degree in economics (Hull) but failed his 11 plus Was just kidding really. You are right I think in that the College isn't actually a part of Oxford University as such, but if you study there you do get membership at the Union.......... As for failing his 11+ and then going on to do well later in life (academically) it does happen. It happened to me.
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Halb
17,849 posts
52 months
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Jasandjules
45,368 posts
98 months
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It's up to the public who they want to vote for, that is Democracy for you (I know shortlist MPs etc), if the public want a person in charge who has no idea about the reality faced by his country, then that is up to them. We have plenty of judges and doctors in the same boat after all....
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Halb
17,849 posts
52 months
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Jasandjules said: It's up to the public who they want to vote for, that is Democracy for you (I know shortlist MPs etc), if the public want a person in charge who has no idea about the reality faced by his country, then that is up to them. We have plenty of judges and doctors in the same boat after all.... Sounds like all MPs to me. Vote independent!
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Saddle bum
3,596 posts
88 months
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With regard to how much dosh those who think they rule us have, I am more concerned at their lack of intellect, both individually and collectively. I don't suppose I am alone in having met some of them, coming away shaking one's head in disbelief at how thick most of them are.
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
86 months
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Saddle bum said: With regard to how much dosh those who think they rule us have, I am more concerned at their lack of intellect, both individually and collectively. I don't suppose I am alone in having met some of them, coming away shaking one's head in disbelief at how thick most of them are.  Having met both my current and previous MP's, the intellectual standard has definitely slipped downwards, with the current MP, being one of the MP's who only got the job because of the requirement to select a woman!
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NDA
10,189 posts
94 months
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mattnunn said: It's an unsatisfactory conclusion, but true, that we're better of with wealthy succesfull people running the shop than poor unsuccesfull people.
A real government of the people would be a nightmare - I mean really, have you spoken to any poor people recently? Very true. When the socialists have run out of other peoples money, it's time for the capitalists to take over. Same old cycle.
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DonkeyApple
11,995 posts
38 months
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NDA said: Very true.
When the socialists have run out of other peoples money, it's time for the capitalists to take over. Same old cycle. But it is so much easier to make an absolute fortune when the Socialists are over inflating the economy with debt and lobbing money at the feckless. Candy from a baby.
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speedy_thrills
5,637 posts
112 months
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V8mate said: Odie said: I believe that members of parliament should only be paid the average UK wage and expenses should be truly scrutinised. Do you really think they're overpaid? Isn’t the real problem that everyone else is underpaid? DonkeyApple said: Socialists are over inflating the economy with debt A socialist would tax the rich, I think your confusing Champaign socialists with actual socialists. MPs salaries are quite reasonable (some are a little underpaid for their position actually), it’s the other extras like expenses that need to be adjusted. The problem is the wages of ordinary people have been falling in real terms for a long time.
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