UKIP PP broadcast

[chris watton]

IAmAHorse said:

chris watton said:

NO! what you should have written is this - "And UKIP's ethos, according to this Labour EU MP is unlikely to have changed vastly in those eight years"

Point conceded.

We're all fked anyway, whoever everyone votes for.

You're not wrong there...

[V8mate]

0a said:

martin84 said:

AshVX220 said:

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP,

I'm afraid it is. UKIP are not going to win an election so all it does is probably engineer another hung parliament.

Good. Perhaps this will encourage some consideration in the Tory party as to why UKIP are now as popular as the Libdems.

And a Tory/UKIP coalition might make the 'compromises' swing to the right 'sensible'.

[AJS-]

IAmAHorse said:

But has anyone who is planning to vote for UKIP read this?

Apparently (though well-referenced):
Links with far-right organisations, including BNP, National Front and Polish extremists?
Opposition to equal opportunities for women?
Openly homophobic?
And the belief that fossil fuels are renewable?

That's some pretty crap muck raking really. I've just read it and didn't find any shock horror things that would put me off UKIP.

Of course there are a few cranks in there, and of course some of their members, especially earlier one, had links with far right groups. Not really surprising. The rest is just random quotes from members of the party and a few digs by former member Dr Alan Sked.

[Esseesse]

V8mate said:

Funnily enough, having started this thread applauding last night's PPB, his performance this morning, just before 7am on the Today Programme, was considerably less well assured.

Thanks for the heads up, just listened to this now.

He was fine, the interviewer was a dick and deliberately mistook totally reasonably well made points.

"Freedom of trading, but not freedom of movement of people... I don't understand" - err what is there to understand?

[V8mate]

Esseesse said:

V8mate said:

Funnily enough, having started this thread applauding last night's PPB, his performance this morning, just before 7am on the Today Programme, was considerably less well assured.

Thanks for the heads up, just listened to this now.

He was fine, the interviewer was a dick and deliberately mistook totally reasonably well made points.

"Freedom of trading, but not freedom of movement of people... I don't understand" - err what is there to understand?

Well, Devil's advocate, what there is to understand is why the EU peeps would agree to one without the other. There's a pretty reasonable likelihood that there could be a spat for a few years - 60s/70s style - where we are left out in the wildnerness.

[Esseesse]

AJS- said:

IAmAHorse said:

But has anyone who is planning to vote for UKIP read this?

Apparently (though well-referenced):
Links with far-right organisations, including BNP, National Front and Polish extremists?
Opposition to equal opportunities for women?
Openly homophobic?
And the belief that fossil fuels are renewable?

That's some pretty crap muck raking really. I've just read it and didn't find any shock horror things that would put me off UKIP.

Of course there are a few cranks in there, and of course some of their members, especially earlier one, had links with far right groups. Not really surprising. The rest is just random quotes from members of the party and a few digs by former member Dr Alan Sked.

Absolutely, muck raking sums it up... and by IAmAHorse too.

Openly homophobic - well I have never ever heard any UKIP member even hinting a dislike for gays, so even if they are homophobic they're surely not openly so. Having such a distorted take on reality only serves to undermine the position of people who make such wield assertions.

[AJS-]

Switzerland manages free trade and relatively free movement of people without the EU. It shouldn't be that hard to allow visa on arrival for EU members, and working visas automatically with a job offer without having to pay benefits to half of Romania.

I personally don't have any real problem with free migration to and from Europe provided people support themselves and respect the law of the land.

[V8mate]

Esseesse said:

Thanks for the heads up, just listened to this now.

He was fine, the interviewer was a dick and deliberately mistook totally reasonably well made points.

"Freedom of trading, but not freedom of movement of people... I don't understand" - err what is there to understand?

I also thought that singling out the Poles was rather bad form: makes it too easy for the 'BNP in suits' accusations to be maintained and was certainly a stance which would reduce their appeal to many outside of the Sun audience. Was certainly the wrong thing to say on R4.

[TallbutBuxomly]

eddieo said:

Isn't it about time the man in the street woke up to news like this or are they going to continue to stress over the price of crappy Greggs pasties?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17835821
(EU Commission proposes 6.8% increase in budget)

Wont happen. Its a PR exercise to make the Tories look good. Cameron and everyone is going to be up in arms over the insanity of it. He will "fight" the eu and they will like last time drop it to 2-3% and cameron etc will claim a victory for the British people..

[TallbutBuxomly]

oyster said:

That's all your opinion of course (as opposed to fact).

In any case, the EU is not a particularly important policy point for most people. It seems to worry a few fringe Tories, but opinion polls always list Europe/EU as one of the less important issues, down there with the environment and well behind unemployment, tax, economy, housing, transport and health.

You work for the tories in their pr department dont you? Go on admit it we wont hold it against you. We like the tories we are just tired of them not doing what we want.

[odyssey2200]

TallbutBuxomly said:

You work for the tories in their pr department dont you? Go on admit it we wont hold it against you. We like the tories we are just tired of them not doing what we want being Tories anymore.

EFA

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 27th April 09:41

[powerstroke]

V8mate said:

Esseesse said:

V8mate said:

Funnily enough, having started this thread applauding last night's PPB, his performance this morning, just before 7am on the Today Programme, was considerably less well assured.

Thanks for the heads up, just listened to this now.

He was fine, the interviewer was a dick and deliberately mistook totally reasonably well made points.

"Freedom of trading, but not freedom of movement of people... I don't understand" - err what is there to understand?

Well, Devil's advocate, what there is to understand is why the EU peeps would agree to one without the other. There's a pretty reasonable likelihood that there could be a spat for a few years - 60s/70s style - where we are left out in the wildnerness.

What you mean they would stop trading with us ??? yikes the french german and italian car and truck makers would love that and all of the other manufactures!! I think not wanting free trade would be
the last thing on their minds..... and you think we or they would stop skilled migrants or even tradesmen swaping countrys nooo the only people who would suffer
would be the benifit, health tourists politicians on the EU gravy train and the army of penpushers that enable much of the ste.........

[Puggit]

If UKIP are openly homophobic, why is their London regional chairman (David Coburn) openly gay?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/03/12/comment-marri...

Oh, and they have black and Asian candidates too...

Edited by Puggit on Thursday 26th April 21:29

[bennyboydurham]

thinfourth2 said:

One of the reasons that they won't win an election is this fking retarded st of

if you don't vote this wker then that wker might get in.

90% of the idiots voting tory are voting tory to keep labour out

90% of the idiots voting labour are voting labour to keep the tories out

Its a fking st state of affairs and saying a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour only furthers our future of wkers

But it's true. Ukip will never garner enough votes to win a seat in a general election. So the net result for your uber right wing EU hating ukip voter is that they end up either with a retarded left wing government like Brown's or a watered down fartfest like the one we have now, with a load of bloody lentil munching libs in it. If you little englanders had just voted Tory in the first place you'd have a proper Tory government now. It won't have escaped your notice that the boundaries were set strongly in Labour's favour and if they get back in they'll gerrymander them again along with some form of PR to make it impossible for the Tories (or your beloved ukip) to ever win again and you'll have a stty left wing bunch of retards in charge, forever. Let's see how happy that makes you...

[deeps]

bennyboydurham said:

But it's true. Ukip will never garner enough votes to win a seat in a general election. So the net result for your uber right wing EU hating ukip voter is that they end up either with a retarded left wing government like Brown's or a watered down fartfest like the one we have now, with a load of bloody lentil munching libs in it. If you little englanders had just voted Tory in the first place you'd have a proper Tory government now. It won't have escaped your notice that the boundaries were set strongly in Labour's favour and if they get back in they'll gerrymander them again along with some form of PR to make it impossible for the Tories (or your beloved ukip) to ever win again and you'll have a stty left wing bunch of retards in charge, forever. Let's see how happy that makes you...

No hope with that attitude. What would "a proper Tory government now" be doing differently than they are now? Green Dave is Green Dave, coalition or not.

UKIP is the only sensible way forward, they've just got to find a way to get the snowball rolling faster, which is currently being held back by the likes of you.

Just before the last election I tried to drum up support for UKIP, but the wasted vote excuse was used by many, talking to those same people now and they have changed their tune, the snowball is gathering momentum.

[eharding]

deeps said:

Just before the last election I tried to drum up support for UKIP, but the wasted vote excuse was used by many, talking to those same people now and they have changed their tune, the snowball is gathering momentum.

Well, thanks for that.

Owing to your efforts, we now have Vince Cable in the cabinet.

Feeling pleased with yourself as a result of that, 'kiptard?

[AJS-]

bennyboydurham said:

But it's true. Ukip will never garner enough votes to win a seat in a general election. So the net result for your uber right wing EU hating ukip voter is that they end up either with a retarded left wing government like Brown's or a watered down fartfest like the one we have now, with a load of bloody lentil munching libs in it. If you little englanders had just voted Tory in the first place you'd have a proper Tory government now. It won't have escaped your notice that the boundaries were set strongly in Labour's favour and if they get back in they'll gerrymander them again along with some form of PR to make it impossible for the Tories (or your beloved ukip) to ever win again and you'll have a stty left wing bunch of retards in charge, forever. Let's see how happy that makes you...

Would that be a proper Tory government like John Major's or Edward Heath's?

Really if the Tories hadn't had Thatcher they would be dead already as a party. There was a lot to admire about her, but that makes he very much the exception to the rule for Tory PMs in recent history.

Incidentally, under any form of PR UKIP would be pretty successful, even on the current voting patterns. If it encouraged even more people to vote for them then it could well become a major electoral force.

[thinfourth2]

bennyboydurham said:

. If you little englanders had just voted Tory in the first place you'd have a proper Tory government now.

This particular little englander is scottish

This particular little englander also isn't worried about getting the wrong lizard.


Also where are these proper tories?

I would love to know

I'd vote for them

Sadly we have cameron with his greenest government ever and hug a hoodie

He is a useless prick just now and if we had a 100% tory parliment he would still be a useless prick.

Edited by thinfourth2 on Friday 27th April 08:22

[AJS-]

bennyboydurham said:

little englanders

There's a bit of nostalgia for you. I don't think I've heard that since the 1999 Euro elections. There's nothing parochial or small minded about wanting to have democratic control of the government of the country.

[chris watton]

bennyboydurham said:

But it's true.

.......and you'll have a stty left wing bunch of retards in charge, forever. Let's see how happy that makes you...

That's exactly what we have in government now! I most certainly am not happy - that's why I did something that I have never in my 45 years done before, and actually pay to join a party because I am so pissed off with the three left wing flavours we have now - UKIP is my only real choice.