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bennyboydurham

1,461 posts

61 months

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Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.

DSM2

3,624 posts

87 months

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I think you're possibly right and while I may very well vote UKIP in the locals, it will be hard in the GE for exactly the reason you say.

My only rider is that there may well be Labour voters moving to UKIP too. Many of them are just as pissed with Labour these days, as I always have been.

bucksmanuk

580 posts

57 months

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bennyboydurham said:
Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.
Yes this was the case with UKIP votes.
But when Dave C went back on his EU referendum promise, for whatever reason, his support fell 6-8% in the polls IN ONE WEEK. This cost him his majority. Filling his cabinet with his millionaire Eton chums was just the last straw as “same old Tories” was the cry. I was helping out at my local Tory HQ on election night. This was topic number 2- ALL NIGHT LONG. Number 1 being - was our MP going to get back in again? He did.

Puggit

33,449 posts

135 months

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bennyboydurham said:
Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.
But can you honestly say that Labour were that different?

My only political 'allegiance' is hating Labour - but I honestly can't see any change in the current government.

sjn2004

3,999 posts

124 months

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DSM2 said:
I think you're possibly right and while I may very well vote UKIP in the locals, it will be hard in the GE for exactly the reason you say.

My only rider is that there may well be Labour voters moving to UKIP too. Many of them are just as pissed with Labour these days, as I always have been.
They'll be millions of Labour voters who have lost their job to a EU leech or at least had their wages depressed by their influx and undercutting in the labour market.

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Benbay001

3,730 posts

44 months

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It also seems that UKIP are fairer to the motorist (or at least claim to be)
What have we got to lose?
I want a general election!
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies?p=1

martin84

5,366 posts

40 months

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wollowizard said:
I want the fuel price stabiliser he promised aswell.
No no no no you misunderstood you see. When Cameron promised a 'fair fuel stabiliser' the details of which turned out to mean they'd increase the duty every year, but not by so much if the oil was hugely expensive. Effectively thats a stable escalator. fkwits.

eddieo

137 posts

96 months

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Isn't it about time the man in the street woke up to news like this or are they going to continue to stress over the price of crappy Greggs pasties?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17835821
(EU Commission proposes 6.8% increase in budget)

sjn2004

3,999 posts

124 months

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martin84 said:
wollowizard said:
I want the fuel price stabiliser he promised aswell.
No no no no you misunderstood you see. When Cameron promised a 'fair fuel stabiliser' the details of which turned out to mean they'd increase the duty every year, but not by so much if the oil was hugely expensive. Effectively thats a stable escalator. fkwits.
Actually it got misfiled with the banning of car clampers and outlawing squatters.....

Never has a man promised so much and delivered so little.

W124Bob

952 posts

62 months

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Unlikely that I would vote UKIP as my local MP is Graham Brady bit of a euroscetic and chair of the 1922 committee,mind you If they had some backbone and followed up their anti EU stance with actual action we might have a more credible voice against UKIP.

hornet

5,983 posts

137 months

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eddieo said:
Isn't it about time the man in the street woke up to news like this or are they going to continue to stress over the price of crappy Greggs pasties?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17835821
(EU Commission proposes 6.8% increase in budget)
You have to admire the nerve, if nothing else.

thinfourth2

30,569 posts

91 months

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bennyboydurham said:
Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.
If you don't have the balls to vote for what you believe in then quite frankly the UK would be better off without you.

Do you need a hand packing?

And how doe it feel to know you voted for total retards rofl

Edited by thinfourth2 on Thursday 26th April 07:26

AJS-

11,903 posts

123 months

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bennyboydurham said:
Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.
What's the difference? As another poster put it succinctly on another thread, Labour want to drive into a wall at 130mph, the Tories at 125mph. Either way is disaster.

I'll be voting UKIP.

bennyboydurham

1,461 posts

61 months

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AJS- said:
What's the difference? As another poster put it succinctly on another thread, Labour want to drive into a wall at 130mph, the Tories at 125mph. Either way is disaster.

I'll be voting UKIP.
Then enjoy PM Millipede.

powerstroke

2,865 posts

47 months

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bennyboydurham said:
Agree with many of the points above but in a GE a vote for ukip is a vote for Labour. In fact, ukip probably denied the Tories a majority last time. So thousands voted ukip and ended up with a Labour MP. I've been very disappointed with the last few months of governance but by jiminy if Millipede and Ballsack end up in number 10 I'm bloody emigrating.
If it takes another 3 terms of labour for the tories to get the message then thats fine , ANYTHING but the same old same old middle of the road policys
that are just a death spiral causeing a once great country becoming a back water of the EU, Untill we get rid of camerom and his insipid blue labour we are fked.. he is the worst thing that happended to the torys since Heath...

chris watton

15,992 posts

147 months

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bennyboydurham said:
AJS- said:
What's the difference? As another poster put it succinctly on another thread, Labour want to drive into a wall at 130mph, the Tories at 125mph. Either way is disaster.

I'll be voting UKIP.
Then enjoy PM Millipede.
How is he (or Brown, for that matter) any different to Cameron? All three (well, two and a half) main parties seem to be focused on EU gravy train jobs when they leave office anyway - I see no reason at all as to why they deserve my vote. UKIP it is.

Cameron has had ample chance to prove himself, and has proven to be as limp as the worst PM's the UK has ever had. I am sure that along with Heath and Brown, he is destined to become a national joke.

AJS-

11,903 posts

123 months

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bennyboydurham said:
AJS- said:
What's the difference? As another poster put it succinctly on another thread, Labour want to drive into a wall at 130mph, the Tories at 125mph. Either way is disaster.

I'll be voting UKIP.
Then enjoy PM Millipede.
I will do actually. I will enjoy watching the wagon fall to bits completely and the idea of socialism being finally, humiliatingly crushed out of them. I also sincerely hope it is a Labour government that finally does away with the NHS, the welfare state, and other holy cows.

Esseesse

3,846 posts

95 months

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Puggit said:
0a said:
The purple/yellow thing needs sorting as they are now a mainstream party and they will be mocked for being unprofessional. Like it or not, it matters. Being taken seriously is important.
Serious question - what would you suggest? Blue, green, pukey orangey/yellow and red have all gone...

Edited by Puggit on Wednesday 25th April 21:16
You could still use purple/yellow. It just needs to be the right purple and yellow. It needs to be a royal purple, with sparing use of yellow highlights. I could do this. It needs to look expensive.

Also agree about the £ logo. Part of me wonders if they could pinch the Tory torch (or similar) as 1) they're the only real conservatives, and 2) the Torys seem to have abandoned it in favour for a limp-wristed tree. Might create a stir too and position them in the right place in peoples minds, rather than a single (£/EU) issue party (which they're not, but the EU is the big issue).

oyster

6,697 posts

135 months

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0a said:
oyster said:
Problem is, if they go chasing what you call core support, how will they hold onto the centrist floating voters who hover between Tory/Labour/Lib Dems?
The current Tories are quite far left of centre.

The highest ratings Cameron has seen was when he "vetoed" the EU treaty. With what is going on in the Eurozone there has never been a better (or a more rewarding time) to bring up a renegotiation/exit strategy regarding the EU.

This position is the popular (centre ground) position.
That's all your opinion of course (as opposed to fact).

In any case, the EU is not a particularly important policy point for most people. It seems to worry a few fringe Tories, but opinion polls always list Europe/EU as one of the less important issues, down there with the environment and well behind unemployment, tax, economy, housing, transport and health.

AJS-

11,903 posts

123 months

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I agree that their logo is a bit drab. When I took a strong interest in UKIP about 10 years ago they were keen on attracting Labour and Liberal Eurosceptics as well, so didn't really want to appear too much like a bunch of disgruntled Tories. I think that's a bit out of date now. They have found their niche as a conservative/libertarian organisation and their logo and branding should reflect this.

A few more Tory defections would be good as well.

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