necrophilia law for husbands in Egypt...

[Mr_B]

MX7 said:

I have no experience of them, so I can't give any answer. Perhaps you could cite some examples instead of citing, what I believe is, nothing more that a hunch.

If it's as bad as you say, there must be well publicised examples, in which case Muslim women would reject the process, and instead opt for a conventional court.

Either way, I don't see any indication of it encroaching on our legal system.

To keep it simple, just say if you think Muslim women are treated equally. I gave examples in which Muslim women are not just not treated equally in many ways more serious than a civil court. I make the point that if many are treated in such a way in honor killings , arranged marriges, genital mutilation and the like , what are the chances of them not being forced to go to such a court and getting the same fair hearing ?
I think you would have to accept that discrimination would increase if you make another system for it to happen. So is that a price worth paying ? No one has still argued any point of benefit of such a court yet which is rather telling.

[Driller]

Just seen this.

What a fking load of offal.

[mybrainhurts]

Driller said:

Just seen this.

What a fking load of offal. What? fking a load of offal?

That's what you meant, isn't it..?

[TheHeretic]

Mr_B said:

To keep it simple, just say if you think Muslim women are treated equally. I gave examples in which Muslim women are not just not treated equally in many ways more serious than a civil court. I make the point that if many are treated in such a way in honor killings , arranged marriges, genital mutilation and the like , what are the chances of them not being forced to go to such a court and getting the same fair hearing ?
I think you would have to accept that discrimination would increase if you make another system for it to happen. So is that a price worth paying ? No one has still argued any point of benefit of such a court yet which is rather telling.

A few things clear, because you don't seem capable of taking in what others are saying.

• No-one has said Islamic culture treats women very well. In fact people have said quite the opposite, (I have said a fair amount on this issue on other threads). The cultural issues are another debate entirely.
• No-one is saying there is any benefit to these courts. Again, whether these things are a benefit is entirely another debate.
• This thread is only talking about the Sharia law civil courts because YOU said that it was being forced on Britiah people. This is false. It is entirely voluntary.

[Zaxxon]

Does the husband get to throw acid on her face after? It seems to be the in thing in Pakistan.

H2S04......cause she's worth it

[MX7]

Mr_B said:

To keep it simple, just say if you think Muslim women are treated equally.

To keep it simple, just say that you don't think that there's any discrimination in the Christain sphere.

I think the belief that the UK legislative system is lilly-livered enough to be superseded by an alien faith-based system is completely erroneous, and I also think that the assumption that UK Muslims are incapable of executing any form of level-handed justice is incorrect, and verging on the offensive. Just cite some examples like I asked, or I may have to shot you with my Islamic raygun.

[MX7]

Zaxxon said:

H2S04......caustic she's worth it

Edited for.... something.

[dudleybloke]

MX7 said:

Zaxxon said:

H2S04......caustic she's worth it

Edited for.... something.

them lot are more al-kaloida!

[Mr_B]

TheHeretic said:

A few things clear, because you don't seem capable of taking in what others are saying.

• No-one has said Islamic culture treats women very well. In fact people have said quite the opposite, (I have said a fair amount on this issue on other threads). The cultural issues are another debate entirely.
• No-one is saying there is any benefit to these courts. Again, whether these things are a benefit is entirely another debate.
• This thread is only talking about the Sharia law civil courts because YOU said that it was being forced on Britiah people. This is false. It is entirely voluntary.

OK, it was quietly introduced and goes against some pretty basic British rights, and there is a big question if Muslim culture would force Muslim women into using it. But because its called voluntary everyone can relax and ignore all that because that wouldn't be abused, would it ?

You seem obsessed because I used the word forced. Well, that's my view because tiny number of men got their way on religious grounds, so if you don't feel it goes against some basic rights in this country, no you probably don't feel its forced on you. No it's not forced on you in a way you have to use it, I find it's forced on me in that I have to accept it happens here only on backward religious thinking, just like many other religious execptions such as faith schools. I feel they are forced on me, and like Sharia courts, there is no need or benefit to add such a religious exemption.
You can argue the toss all night long on forced or not, that really is a tiny point when the wider issue is if it discriminates and is open to doing so, because I feel you have to take in account culture when you have such a system.

[Mr_B]

MX7 said:

To keep it simple, just say that you don't think that there's any discrimination in the Christain sphere.

I think the belief that the UK legislative system is lilly-livered enough to be superseded by an alien faith-based system is completely erroneous, and I also think that the assumption that UK Muslims are incapable of executing any form of level-handed justice is incorrect, and verging on the offensive. Just cite some examples like I asked, or I may have to shot you with my Islamic raygun.

I think I've said it 3 times now and thought it pretty blunt that most would notice it, even you. Any group of people that discriminates against women so openly in arranged marriges, honor killings of women, genital mutilation and a general regard that women come second, may just have some issues in which they ask and get a seperated civil system with the capability to discrimante. Is it such a leap that if you don't have a problem with the above, you may just discriminate against a woman about such an issue as a divorce or similar ?

[MX7]

Mr_B said:

I think I've said it 3 times now and thought it pretty blunt that most would notice it, even you.

Well, aren't you Mr. Superior....

Mr_B said:

Any group of people that discriminates against women so openly in arranged marriges, honor killings of women, genital mutilation and a general regard that women come second, may just have some issues in which they ask and get a seperated civil system with the capability to discrimante. Is it such a leap that if you don't have a problem with the above, you may just discriminate against a woman about such an issue as a divorce or similar ?

Instead of referring to the Middle Eastern culture, which in many ways is screwed up, why not cite some examples of UK Sharia courts making poor rulings? I've asked you to do so a few times now.

What I find amusing is that an act proposed by Lady Cox, The Arbitration and Mediation Services (Equality) Bill, proposes to eliminate any injustices that may occur in a Sharia court, and I'm sure that on occasion that does happen. However, it also proposes a five-year jail sentence for anyone falsely claiming or implies that sharia courts have legal jurisdiction over criminal law, which I think would cover several things you've said on this thread.

Ironic, eh? I really don't think that you and Lady Cox are looking at this from the same angle.

[airportparking]

Mr B everything you are saying about islam and sharia law is complete and utter nonesense so please stop talking out your ahole, it seems like you have been listening to that EDL propaganda as most folk who spout this drivel do, im afraid the only reason you are getting any replies on this thread or in fact this forum is that there appears to be people on here with an even lower level of intelligence then you

[MX7]

airportparking said:

im afraid the only reason you are getting any replies on this thread or in fact this forum is that there appears to be people on here with an even lower level of intelligence then you

So I'm an idiot because I'm trying to highlight his idiocy?

Thanks....

[Mr_B]

MX7 said:

Instead of referring to the Middle Eastern culture, which in many ways is screwed up, why not cite some examples of UK Sharia courts making poor rulings? I've asked you to do so a few times now.

What I find amusing is that an act proposed by Lady Cox, The Arbitration and Mediation Services (Equality) Bill, proposes to eliminate any injustices that may occur in a Sharia court, and I'm sure that on occasion that does happen. However, it also proposes a five-year jail sentence for anyone falsely claiming or implies that sharia courts have legal jurisdiction over criminal law, which I think would cover several things you've said on this thread.

Ironic, eh? I really don't think that you and Lady Cox are looking at this from the same angle.

Why do you demand I some how uncover rulings from these courts to show you ? I think you are capable of understanding thats going to be pretty hard to come by a case that openly says that it forced anyone to be there and went against them based on their gender. The Middle east culture, as you call it, is here in the UK and goes against some basic British human rights.

I still don't think its that hard to grasp that when you have a legal system that developed over a long time and isn't likly to be religiously biased and is a core of what living in the UK is partly about, it doesn't need supplementing with one where there is going to be a grater chance of discrimination. I made no mention of specific cases, but have argued the point ( which you ignore every time ) that base culture and religion and the ways it does already treat women, doesn't look to be a good basis for a fair legal system.
You rant and rave against my personal views but can't bring yourself to say its no needed and just has a higher chance of discrimination. If you are a fan, justify it.

[Mr_B]

airportparking said:

Mr B everything you are saying about islam and sharia law is complete and utter nonesense so please stop talking out your ahole, it seems like you have been listening to that EDL propaganda as most folk who spout this drivel do, im afraid the only reason you are getting any replies on this thread or in fact this forum is that there appears to be people on here with an even lower level of intelligence then you

Sorry I expressed an opinion. I guess I should have know that when speaking of culture and religion, that's not allowed now days, is it ?
Mr MX7 and Heretic at least argue a point with me - althought the Muslamic raygun comment is typical of those trying to belittle anyone debating such a topic and a poor attempt to paint them as the well known man in the Youtube clip, but I see that as his personal problem, not mine. You on the other hand have nothing to say but mild abuse backed-up with nothing other than I'm right, your wrong. But then , isn't that always the religious way ?

[Mr_B]

MX7 said:

So I'm an idiot because I'm trying to highlight his idiocy?

Thanks....

You see ? You weren't totally full of praise and added some not to complimentary things about their culture, so even your slight difference of opionion gets you hate. Ironic since both of you jsut descend to calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot. Still, it did make me laugh, so not all bad.

[Colonial]

Mr B.

You are the worst kind of idiot.

The kind that is nearly smart enough to understand complex ideas, but not bright enough to actually listen to what the actual reality of a situation, as detailed in the legal system, is.

At least the other idiot in this thread, thunderstruck, was it? Was just your common village idiot.

[Driller]

mybrainhurts said:

That's what you meant, isn't it..?

[TheHeretic]

airportparking said:

Mr B everything you are saying about islam and sharia law is complete and utter nonesense so please stop talking out your ahole, it seems like you have been listening to that EDL propaganda as most folk who spout this drivel do, im afraid the only reason you are getting any replies on this thread or in fact this forum is that there appears to be people on here with an even lower level of intelligence then you

Excuse me? Care to explain that thinking please?

[carmonk]

Colonial said:

Mr B.

You are the worst kind of idiot.

The kind that is nearly smart enough to understand complex ideas, but not bright enough to actually listen to what the actual reality of a situation, as detailed in the legal system, is.

At least the other idiot in this thread, thunderstruck, was it? Was just your common village idiot.

Why not take your troll friend airportbarking and ps off. The adults are talking. People are getting tired of you types popping up in threads with nothing to offer but insults, you do it all the time. Perhaps you're jealous that others can string two words together but whatever, it's tedious and unneccessary so stop it.