UK ISP's must block The Pirate Bay
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capitalist said:
mattnunn said:
So you presumably accept downloading of the internet is copyright infringment?
How is this not stealing?
It is copying..not stealing.How is this not stealing?
if I came to your house and cloned your car and left...have I stolen from you?
Unless you cloned all the bogeys on the steering wheel which I'm saving for my journey home, in which case yes.
mattnunn said:
No, you'd have stolen it from VW.
Unless you cloned all the bogeys on the steering wheel which I'm saving for my journey home, in which case yes.
Well, this is where we fundamentally disagree.Unless you cloned all the bogeys on the steering wheel which I'm saving for my journey home, in which case yes.
I haven't stolen. Your car and all VW cars are still there.
Now, you might make the argument that there is one more on the road which might reduce the original's value due to supply and demand but that doesn't apply in the content scenario anyway.
davepoth said:
mattnunn said:
I remember taping jet set willy on a back to back tape recorder)
Personally I'd feel no guilt or angst about this, I would however downloading something from bit torrent. because in the former the value exchange is completed.
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k?mattnunn said:
Isn't that ironic, don't you think?
Christ I'll have Morissette on my back.
You flip from "statute law is all that matters, it must be adhered to by the letter" to "it's a moral judgment" so quickly.
The two are both on the same side of the argument; without any legal judgement I have to make a moral one. Christ I'll have Morissette on my back.
You flip from "statute law is all that matters, it must be adhered to by the letter" to "it's a moral judgment" so quickly.
"downloading is theft but I have no problems with pirating Jet Set Willy" does appear to be a conflict though.
mattnunn said:
If it were to be put in statute that the sharing of copyrighted data on the internet were a criminal offence would you comply?
Probably. I try not to break the law on purpose, as a rule. mattnunn said:
davepoth said:
mattnunn said:
I remember taping jet set willy on a back to back tape recorder)
Personally I'd feel no guilt or angst about this, I would however downloading something from bit torrent. because in the former the value exchange is completed.
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mattnunn said:
davepoth said:
mattnunn said:
I remember taping jet set willy on a back to back tape recorder)
Personally I'd feel no guilt or angst about this, I would however downloading something from bit torrent. because in the former the value exchange is completed.
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k?"the reason we're having this discussion is because the law, criminal or contract, is always 2 steps behind the real world. (20 years in this case - I remember taping jet set willy on a back to back tape recorder)"
The I said this in response to the original question about selling a game on the second hand market.
"Personally I'd feel no guilt or angst about this, I would however downloading something from bit torrent. because in the former the value exchange is completed."
Perhaps it wasn't clear. And yes I did things when I was 12 which may have been wrong, I used to scrump apples and sometimes nick teh neighbours milk, I'm not suggesting now they were correct - I have however grown up and been shown the error of my ways.
0000 said:
mattnunn said:
So you presumably accept downloading of the internet is copyright infringment?
Are you saying that you're infringing copyright by reading this thread?0000 said:
Copyright is not something you explicitly add, it's automatic.
Errr bottom of your screen, click "Terms and Conditions""Copyright
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You accepted these terms and condition when you became a member.
I have little time for moral arguments in favour of the entertainment industry when they are quite willing to rip people off when it suits them. The author Winston Groom was due a portion of the profits of Forrest Gump yet funnily enough the film, which made around $680 million worldwide off a budget of $55 million, managed to make a loss and he got nothing.
The media industry have a problem entirely of their own making. They seek to stifle innovation at every turn and would rather try to force people to adhere to their outdated business models and lazily watch the money roll in than embrace new technology and adapt their products accordingly.
The media industry have a problem entirely of their own making. They seek to stifle innovation at every turn and would rather try to force people to adhere to their outdated business models and lazily watch the money roll in than embrace new technology and adapt their products accordingly.
mattnunn said:
So you presumably accept downloading of the internet is copyright infringment?
How is this not stealing?
Working on that principal, if you read this comment you are stealing my thoughts and my work.How is this not stealing?
You should pay me some money for that. Also, if you tell anyone else about this comment, you are distributing my intellectual property and you should go to prison
Monty Zoomer said:
mattnunn said:
So you presumably accept downloading of the internet is copyright infringment?
How is this not stealing?
Working on that principal, if you read this comment you are stealing my thoughts and my work.How is this not stealing?
You should pay me some money for that. Also, if you tell anyone else about this comment, you are distributing my intellectual property and you should go to prison
I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
mattnunn said:
See above, you've signed the rights to your thoughts to haymarket publishing, via PH tower, they now own them with your permission and have passed them onto me.
I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
Not sure that's correct as Haymarket would then be liable for any comments posted. I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
Oakey said:
mattnunn said:
See above, you've signed the rights to your thoughts to haymarket publishing, via PH tower, they now own them with your permission and have passed them onto me.
I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
Not sure that's correct as Haymarket would then be liable for any comments posted. I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
I was a regular user of the ill fated BBC 5 Live message boards that were shutdown years ago due to BBC lawyers taking ill at some of the things that were being said.
Oakey said:
mattnunn said:
See above, you've signed the rights to your thoughts to haymarket publishing, via PH tower, they now own them with your permission and have passed them onto me.
I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
Not sure that's correct as Haymarket would then be liable for any comments posted. I value them, which is why I give my comments in exchange, there may be a mismatch in the valuations though.
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