UK ISP's must block The Pirate Bay

[Watchman]

Sideways look at this...

If all I want to do is gain access to American-made TV series in advance of them showing over here EVEN THOUGH I have paid for, and continue to pay for the apparatus and service (Sky) from which the UK broadcasts will be received, is this still copyright theft?

Because that's all I want. And as such I was interested in TPB, however I have now discovered EZTV which seems to cater only for this "market" and not in disputable movies.

[davepoth]

Watchman said:

Sideways look at this...

If all I want to do is gain access to American-made TV series in advance of them showing over here EVEN THOUGH I have paid for, and continue to pay for the apparatus and service (Sky) from which the UK broadcasts will be received, is this still copyright theft?

Because that's all I want. And as such I was interested in TPB, however I have now discovered EZTV which seems to cater only for this "market" and not in disputable movies.

EZTV is really rather handy - the search tool is much better than TPB. But the TV is just as in dispute as the movies; the recent takedown was by the record industry in any case.

[freecar]

Watchman said:

Sideways look at this...

If all I want to do is gain access to American-made TV series in advance of them showing over here EVEN THOUGH I have paid for, and continue to pay for the apparatus and service (Sky) from which the UK broadcasts will be received, is this still copyright theft?

Because that's all I want. And as such I was interested in TPB, however I have now discovered EZTV which seems to cater only for this "market" and not in disputable movies.

I too only download TV shows ahead of their UK schedule (sometimes it's not even ahead) instead of waiting until its aired here and PVRing it which it totally legitimate.

I still have Virgin and pay for it so couldn't actually give the TV companies more revenue if I tried.

How is that morally wrong?

[glazbagun]

davepoth said:

But now they're up against people who don't want profit; they just want to share. It's so close to free to share that there's no point charging at the point of use, and rather than adjust to that new reality by looking at innovative licensing and working with the ISPs to find a solution that means no suing, they're fighting as hard as they can. Canute couldn't hold back the tide, and neither can they.

This is it in a nutshell. Copyright law needs an overhaul But the overhaul it needs is more freedom, not less, so we can get rid of ridiculous situations like US netflix being so much better than the UK one, YouTube videos being unavailable in some countries & foreign TV shows being unavailable until such time as the distributors see fit.

Instead, the large media corporations are actively pushing for the opposite, trying to prop up their zombie of a business model in a way that is looking more and more like rent-seeking. Best of all, of course, is that they only have themselves to blame, as it was many of these same media groups who actively promoted Kazzaa, Limewire, etc.

[TheHeretic]

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-05/18/lea...

[glazbagun]

Now when I was talking about the industry being a bit delusional...

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/63944

[Dimski]

glazbagun said:

Now when I was talking about the industry being a bit delusional...

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/63944

Taken from the Youtube thread:

the 8 billion dollar Ipod

[Odie]

freecar said:

Watchman said:

Sideways look at this...

If all I want to do is gain access to American-made TV series in advance of them showing over here EVEN THOUGH I have paid for, and continue to pay for the apparatus and service (Sky) from which the UK broadcasts will be received, is this still copyright theft?

Because that's all I want. And as such I was interested in TPB, however I have now discovered EZTV which seems to cater only for this "market" and not in disputable movies.

I too only download TV shows ahead of their UK schedule (sometimes it's not even ahead) instead of waiting until its aired here and PVRing it which it totally legitimate.

I still have Virgin and pay for it so couldn't actually give the TV companies more revenue if I tried.

How is that morally wrong?

I think it says it all that im far more aware of when TV shows (the ones i like) are aired in the US than when they are aired in the UK, the UK scheduling is a joke, its patchy at best.

[Oakey]

Odie said:

I think it says it all that im far more aware of when TV shows (the ones i like) are aired in the US than when they are aired in the UK, the UK scheduling is a joke, its patchy at best.

I find that hard to believe, are you talking about the same US that has breaks in the middle of a series for weeks on end, then they'll show a single episode, then nothing for a fortnight or longer? Example; Season 8 of the Office, which started in September last year, has only just finshed last week. That's 8 months to air 23-24 episodes.

[crofty1984]

One thing that came up in conversation recently is the way that films are financed more and more through product placement.
It'd be silly to think that the people trying to get this funding won't be looking at the download figures as it's still a valuable advertising commodity.

"See if you sponsor Spiderman 7 your product will be seen by 1 million cinema-goers, 500,000 dvd purchases, 1 million TV viewings [and 2 million people who will download it for free, most of whom wouldn't have paid to buy the DVD anyway]"

All figures made up.

Another interesting example is the car-cloning mentioned before. You still have your car, I wouldn't have bought one anyway from VW so they're not losing out on reveue they'd otherwise have had. There's the argument of whether I deserve my new car of course.

[voyds9]

Odie said:

I think it says it all that im far more aware of when TV shows (the ones i like) are aired in the US than when they are aired in the UK, the UK scheduling is a joke, its patchy at best.

Why does TV find it so difficult to show a series in order from beginning to end.

Non terrestrial channels especially you will get 6 episodes at 1 per day/week then nothing for a month then a couple of episodes out of the next series before you realise it is now being shown on an entirely different channel.

Doctor Who is one of the worst, over a period of a month I bet you can see 3 different Doctors from at least 5 different series.

When I download/stream I can what them in order and plot lines make sense.

[Nardies]

freecar said:

I too only download TV shows ahead of their UK schedule (sometimes it's not even ahead) instead of waiting until its aired here and PVRing it which it totally legitimate.

I still have Virgin and pay for it so couldn't actually give the TV companies more revenue if I tried.

How is that morally wrong?

Also, a slightly different example. I own a genuine copy of Alien Anthology on Bluray, trouble is it's in a box in the loft, and I couldn't be arsed getting it out, so I downloaded a torrent of it. Am I now a thief, even though I've bought a copy?

[sinizter]

Nardies said:

Also, a slightly different example. I own a genuine copy of Alien Anthology on Bluray, trouble is it's in a box in the loft, and I couldn't be arsed getting it out, so I downloaded a torrent of it. Am I now a thief, even though I've bought a copy?

If you downloaded it from a filehosting website, and if in the UK they have to prove damages to sue you, you will be fine.

If you torrent, you are also uploading ... That is what they sue you for. Not downloading it.

[IroningMan]

crofty1984 said:

One thing that came up in conversation recently is the way that films are financed more and more through product placement.
It'd be silly to think that the people trying to get this funding won't be looking at the download figures as it's still a valuable advertising commodity.

"See if you sponsor Spiderman 7 your product will be seen by 1 million cinema-goers, 500,000 dvd purchases, 1 million TV viewings [and 2 million people who will download it for free, most of whom wouldn't have paid to buy the DVD anyway]"

All figures made up.

Another interesting example is the car-cloning mentioned before. You still have your car, I wouldn't have bought one anyway from VW so they're not losing out on reveue they'd otherwise have had. There's the argument of whether I deserve my new car of course.

I'd say that the argument centred around your gaining benefit from using VW's intellectual property without remunerating them for the priviledge.