UK ISP's must block The Pirate Bay
Discussion
davepoth said:
mattnunn said:
Does anyone know how to take the security tags of the stuff in HMV? I want to nick loads of CDs and DVDs etc...
That would be theft. You 'tard.I mean I may be an idiot, but in my mind my ideas and creation hold more importance to me that some bits of plastic or paper I may have in my posession at any one time.
Funk said:
mattnunn said:
Does anyone know how to take the security tags of the stuff in HMV? I want to nick loads of CDs and DVDs etc...
Facepalm.Not this s
t again.Copyright infringement is not theft.
To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
mattnunn said:
The value of CD's and DVDs is within their content, not the physical item, the value of anything is inherent in its useage, a CD sat on a shelf and never listened to has no value, other than it's recycle value.
To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
I went round me mates house the other day and ended up watching Super Troopers for free. Am I now a thief?To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
mattnunn said:
The value of CD's and DVDs is within their content, not the physical item, the value of anything is inherent in its useage, a CD sat on a shelf and never listened to has no value, other than it's recycle value.
To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
The act of theft is to take something with the intent of permanently depriving someone of it. Explain who has what removed from them when a film is copied. By the way, if you say "money" or "idea" then you haven't got the right answer. To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
I'm not aware of any research that has conclusively proved that unauthorised copying is actually having any affect on music or movie sales (money), and using someone's Intellectual Property (idea) without permission is covered by the civil courts and is therefore not theft.
bodhi said:
mattnunn said:
The value of CD's and DVDs is within their content, not the physical item, the value of anything is inherent in its useage, a CD sat on a shelf and never listened to has no value, other than it's recycle value.
To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
I went round me mates house the other day and ended up watching Super Troopers for free. Am I now a thief?To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
ProSc2008 said:
"https://thepiratebay.se" is perfectly accessible right now using Tor Browser - I can't see any mention of a DDOS attack on their blog either.
More on the DDOS attackhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-under-ddos-atta...
davepoth said:
mattnunn said:
The value of CD's and DVDs is within their content, not the physical item, the value of anything is inherent in its useage, a CD sat on a shelf and never listened to has no value, other than it's recycle value.
To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
The act of theft is to take something with the intent of permanently depriving someone of it. Explain who has what removed from them when a film is copied. By the way, if you say "money" or "idea" then you haven't got the right answer. To own something is to use, appreciate and value it.
If you illegally download a film and wathc it, you have used it, owned it, you have used it's value - you should pay for it - you theif.
I'm not aware of any research that has conclusively proved that unauthorised copying is actually having any affect on music or movie sales (money), and using someone's Intellectual Property (idea) without permission is covered by the civil courts and is therefore not theft.
You do permanently deprive the owner of the material you steal of the value which they and you have put on it. You do not have the right to consume an experience or service you have not paid for. if you are so desperate to consume the experience that you deliberatly and knowingly break the law then you obviously value the experience you have (or will) gain. You value it, yet you do not pay the value for it, you deprive the rightful distibutor or owner of the value which you yourslef put on it.
And, let's repeat this, it's you who place the value on the item by it's useage, by consuming the service or experience provided you inherently deny the owner and provider the value you yourself have placed on it.
The theft act and wording of legislation aside, that is a very changeable marker of right and wrong anyway, you need to enquire into your own transaction, call it what you will, I call it theft.
mattnunn said:
You are deliberatly obscuring the point.
You do permanently deprive the owner of the material you steal of the value which they and you have put on it. You do not have the right to consume an experience or service you have not paid for. if you are so desperate to consume the experience that you deliberatly and knowingly break the law then you obviously value the experience you have (or will) gain. You value it, yet you do not pay the value for it, you deprive the rightful distibutor or owner of the value which you yourslef put on it.
And, let's repeat this, it's you who place the value on the item by it's useage, by consuming the service or experience provided you inherently deny the owner and provider the value you yourself have placed on it.
The theft act and wording of legislation aside, that is a very changeable marker of right and wrong anyway, you need to enquire into your own transaction, call it what you will, I call it theft.
This argument makes little sense. I'd agree that someone who downloads something to watch it does assign some value. This value would be roughly equal to the bandwidth used to acquire it - probably a fraction of a penny in most cases. You do permanently deprive the owner of the material you steal of the value which they and you have put on it. You do not have the right to consume an experience or service you have not paid for. if you are so desperate to consume the experience that you deliberatly and knowingly break the law then you obviously value the experience you have (or will) gain. You value it, yet you do not pay the value for it, you deprive the rightful distibutor or owner of the value which you yourslef put on it.
And, let's repeat this, it's you who place the value on the item by it's useage, by consuming the service or experience provided you inherently deny the owner and provider the value you yourself have placed on it.
The theft act and wording of legislation aside, that is a very changeable marker of right and wrong anyway, you need to enquire into your own transaction, call it what you will, I call it theft.
It's not theft as this is a value which the distributor was never in possession of. It's not a 'download or buy' proposition. A download does not cost them a sale. There is no deprivation. It's not theft. You can think it's immoral/wrong if you like but theft is not the correct term for it.
Edited by hairykrishna on Wednesday 16th May 15:10
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