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Abdelbaset El-Megrahi dies....

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Smart Mart

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6,975 posts

127 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Took him long enough considering he had "only months to live" in 2009.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18137896

craigjm

5,624 posts

112 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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3 year, 3 months small discrepancy !

I think we treated him far too well

lazystudent

1,629 posts

73 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Good riddance, can't say anyone I know is going to mourn his passing

TwigtheWonderkid

19,794 posts

62 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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It was true, 36 months!!!!

I've only got days to live....about 10,000 hopefully.

davepoth

27,347 posts

111 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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lazystudent said:
Good riddance, can't say anyone I know is going to mourn his passing
On the assumption he actually had anything to do with Lockerbie, of course. The whole set-up surrounding his release has a bit of a funny feel to it.
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Mojocvh

16,837 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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lazystudent said:
Good riddance, can't say anyone I know is going to mourn his passing
Did you have any relatives or family on Pan Am Flight 103 or in Lockerbie?

Perhaps you would should ask those who did how they see his death.

ViperPict

10,065 posts

149 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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If you look at the details surrounding his trial, his conviction was based on almost no reliable evidence. A shop keeper in Malta identifying him as the man who bought a pair of trousers? And even that testimony has been brought into severe question. I'm not suggesting that he was entirely innocent but he should not have gone to prison.

And the amount of time he survived once back in Libya is almost certainly down to the level of treatment he received there -chemo, radiotherapy, other drugs, none of which he had received in Scotland.

Derek Smith

26,276 posts

160 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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According to the BBC, the Lockerbie Bomber died as well.

There is little doubt that Megrahi did not do what he was found guilty of. There is a little more doubt as to whether he had anything to do with the bombing in any shape or form. His death is no grounds for rejoicing. There is a suggestion that his release came about to stop him appealing against his sentence.

There is enough documentation available to show that there is no doubt that he should never have been found guilty.

andy_s

10,930 posts

171 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Quite; furthermore, I remember a year or so ago his son (?) saying he had written a full account of his side of the story which wouldn't be released until after his death...

Derek Smith

26,276 posts

160 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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andy_s said:
Quite; furthermore, I remember a year or so ago his son (?) saying he had written a full account of his side of the story which wouldn't be released until after his death...
Yes, thanks for that. It has slipped my mind.

DSM2

3,624 posts

112 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Mojocvh said:
lazystudent said:
Good riddance, can't say anyone I know is going to mourn his passing
Did you have any relatives or family on Pan Am Flight 103 or in Lockerbie?

Perhaps you would should ask those who did how they see his death.
I have, this minute watched an interview with the father of one of the victims. "..am I sad he's dead? No. There is no doubt in my mind Mr Megrahi was the one responsible for planting the bomb".

I would go with that anytime before a PH poster.

Good riddance.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

195 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Those celebrating his death would do well to read Paul Foot's report about the trial and conviction. It was a farce, and it's a shame that the appeal never got properly heard.

bigandclever

8,221 posts

150 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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DSM2 said:
I have, this minute watched an interview with the father of one of the victims. "..am I sad he's dead? No. There is no doubt in my mind Mr Megrahii was throne responsible for planting the bomb".

I would go with that anytime before a PH poster.

Good riddance.
Clearly not seen the interview with Dr Jim Swire. Take your pick.

garos

775 posts

71 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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DSM2 said:
I have, this minute watched an interview with the father of one of the victims. "..am I sad he's dead? No. There is no doubt in my mind Mr Megrahii was throne responsible for planting the bomb".

I would go with that anytime before a PH poster.

Good riddance.
....and I just watched an interview with the father of one of the British victims and he regards megrahi as the 271st victim.

davepoth

27,347 posts

111 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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bigandclever said:
DSM2 said:
I have, this minute watched an interview with the father of one of the victims. "..am I sad he's dead? No. There is no doubt in my mind Mr Megrahii was throne responsible for planting the bomb".

I would go with that anytime before a PH poster.

Good riddance.
Clearly not seen the interview with Dr Jim Swire. Take your pick.
+1. Some of the victims' families were happy that someone had been blamed and convicted for the bombing, and gained closure from that. Others, not so much.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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tank slapper said:
Those celebrating his death would do well to read Paul Foot's report about the trial and conviction. It was a farce, and it's a shame that the appeal never got properly heard.
Exactly. If his guilt was ever properly proven then fine, but it has/was not.



Derek Smith

26,276 posts

160 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Paul Foot's demolition of the trial should be compulsory reading for anyone making a comment on Megrahi's guilt. Whilst I accept he might be guilty what is also apparent is the fact that there was little or no evidence adduced at his trial to support it. For a country that prides itself on its judicial system the trial should generate shame.

I went to a talk by a relative of one of the casualties of the bombing and she was adamant that Megrahi was innocent and that the real perpetrators were allowed, and allowed is the word, to get away with their crimes. She was part of a group of which an individual or individuals are at the trial of everyday.

If this had been the trial of the white man in, for instance, Iran the world, particularly America, would be up in arms. And quite rightly.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Paul Foot's demolition of the trial should be compulsory reading for anyone making a comment on Megrahi's guilt. Whilst I accept he might be guilty what is also apparent is the fact that there was little or no evidence adduced at his trial to support it. For a country that prides itself on its judicial system the trial should generate shame.

I went to a talk by a relative of one of the casualties of the bombing and she was adamant that Megrahi was innocent and that the real perpetrators were allowed, and allowed is the word, to get away with their crimes. She was part of a group of which an individual or individuals are at the trial of everyday.

If this had been the trial of the white man in, for instance, Iran the world, particularly America, would be up in arms. And quite rightly.
I never knew, until today, that one of the three judges walked out calling it a "circus".......

Derek Smith

26,276 posts

160 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Mojocvh said:
I never knew, until today, that one of the three judges walked out calling it a "circus".......
Don't knock yourself out, we're all ignorant of some of the details. I was at Gatwick when I heard this chat from a victim's nok and then I read a precis of the Foot report. I thought I knew all there was. Then some PHer (sorry, forgot who) rather kindly sent me a copy of the full Foot report. But there's still so much more to read on the subject. Every time a bit of new info surfaces it makes you wonder how come all the judges didn't walk out.

The trial was a travesty.

There's no doubt in my mind that the bombing was in retaliation for IR655. That doesn't make it right, of course, far from it. However, the threat was made after the shooting down and after Lockerbie, the Americans went all out to implicate the Iranians. Then politics demanded that the Iranians should be friends so someone else had to be blamed.

I could be wrong on that of course. However, I am confident that Megrahi did not do those things he was accussed and found guilty of. The more I hear about the crash the more this is reinforced.

We had a few people come and discuss the way the police dealt with the NOK. What they said was extremely useful and, dare we say it, obvious now. This has made the police and other response units change their way they deal with the NOK on similar incidents. However, everyone you talk to who has in-depth knowledge of the incident and the trial all said tht Megrahi was either innocent or not guilty of the charges (a subtle difference, but not one that changes anything).

Some of the relatives feel that Meghrai should have stayed in prison and was guilty, and they are entitled to their beliefs. But before you choose 'sides', read Paul Foot.

The bloke is now dead and nothing anyone does now will make it better. However the real perpetuators got away with it and might still be walking around now.

jshell

7,980 posts

117 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Then some PHer (sorry, forgot who) rather kindly sent me a copy of the full Foot report.
wavey

Don't forget, Hans Kochler, the UN observer called the trial of Megrahi: "a spectacular miscarriage of justice"

Foot report available to anyone who PM's me for a copy!