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Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

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jshell

7,193 posts

110 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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SplatSpeed said:
Finlandia said:
SplatSpeed said:
fancy a beer in fagans

friday night
Sounds nice, but unfortunately I'm 615km North of Malmö.
allways wanted to go for a drive in norway
The Soviet Socialist Republic of Norway is an awful place to drive with low speed limits, huge speeding penalties, the developed world's spackiest driving and utterly, utterly shyte roads.

P-Jay

7,501 posts

96 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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I'd completely forgotten about this story, it seems to have slipped from the headlines.

Is there still a ring of Old Bill surrounding the Ecuadorian embassy?

If I was JA I'd make a run for the boarder whilst everyone's still fretting about Kate's Boobs.

Finlandia

6,214 posts

136 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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SplatSpeed said:
thats north east

hehe
Yeah, yeah, it's not south at least. hehe

Scuffers said:
Sounds cold to me......
Cold? We haven't even got snow yet. wink

Finlandia

6,214 posts

136 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

121 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.
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Riff Raff

3,284 posts

100 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?

I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

121 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Riff Raff said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?

I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
I dont know the rules of embassies but would think that they would be allowed to enter and interview him but not arrest him. Since they seem absolutely determined not to interview him here in the uk then moving him to stockholm embassy might be a better bet as they can at least just pop in and interview him.

Halb

30,582 posts

88 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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This seems like a nice compromise?

hairykrishna

10,107 posts

108 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Riff Raff said:
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?

I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
It is Swedish soil.

Quoting wiki;

"Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense."

Riff Raff

3,284 posts

100 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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hairykrishna said:
Riff Raff said:
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?

I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
It is Swedish soil.

Quoting wiki;

"Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense."
I CBA to search for it, but can they arrest him in the Embassy?

If they can, it's a step forward. If they can't, then it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.

Murph7355

12,183 posts

161 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Halb said:
This seems like a nice compromise?
It would certainly be a very good result for the UK govt in every respect IMO.

hairykrishna

10,107 posts

108 months

Sunday 23rd September 2012
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Riff Raff said:
I CBA to search for it, but can they arrest him in the Embassy?

If they can, it's a step forward. If they can't, then it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
I don't know - I think it would probably require consent from Ecuador. Surely it's a step forward if they can question him though?

Ozzie Osmond

18,939 posts

151 months

Sunday 23rd September 2012
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Riff Raff said:
it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
Quite. Swedish plod could just as easily nip over to UK for a chat with Mr A but there are only two possible outcomes,

a) They don't want to press charges, or
b) They want him in Sweden for trial.

If (a) then Assange is stuck in the UK Ecuador embassy for ever because he's really hiding from USA, not the Swedes.

If (b) then Assange still won't go to Sweden because he says it's easier for USA to nab him there.

IMO he's going nowhere until Ecuador finds him an embarrassment and kicks him out. Can't imagine that will take too long.

OdramaSwimLaden

1,971 posts

74 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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TallbutBuxomly said:
Riff Raff said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?

I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
I dont know the rules of embassies but would think that they would be allowed to enter and interview him but not arrest him. Since they seem absolutely determined not to interview him here in the uk then moving him to stockholm embassy might be a better bet as they can at least just pop in and interview him.
It would be a good compromise.

His point, and despite other things, I think it is valid, is that every year 100's of people are interviewed in the UK (on a range of charges) and that it should be possible. He states that in virtually every case interviews take place before extradition takes place.

skwdenyer

5,389 posts

145 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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OdramaSwimLaden said:
It would be a good compromise.

His point, and despite other things, I think it is valid, is that every year 100's of people are interviewed in the UK (on a range of charges) and that it should be possible. He states that in virtually every case interviews take place before extradition takes place.
But does it happen with Swedish interviews? It has been suggested in some quarters that Swedish law does not allow Assange to be formally questioned, and especially not charged, elsewhere than Sweden, in part because of protections in Swedish law to provide suitable counsel.

WhereamI

6,887 posts

122 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
So how is he going to get from one to the other without being arrested?

Finlandia

6,214 posts

136 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
So how is he going to get from one to the other without being arrested?
The three concerned countries would have to come to an agreement on a "legal" transfer, if at all possible.

RYH64E

6,975 posts

149 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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Finlandia said:
The three concerned countries would have to come to an agreement on a "legal" transfer, if at all possible.
Just three?

Finlandia

6,214 posts

136 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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RYH64E said:
Finlandia said:
The three concerned countries would have to come to an agreement on a "legal" transfer, if at all possible.
Just three?
The three official ones. hehe

WhereamI

6,887 posts

122 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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Finlandia said:
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
So how is he going to get from one to the other without being arrested?
The three concerned countries would have to come to an agreement on a "legal" transfer, if at all possible.
And you think that is going to happen? Assange is the one stuck in an embassy not going anywhere, not sure why a country should adapt their processes to accomodate him.