Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

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anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Possessing a plot of land doesn't make it part of your home country. Otherwise, my house would be part of Ireland, but instead it's part of Islington (well known sovereign nation).

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

203 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
Possessing a plot of land doesn't make it part of your home country. Otherwise, my house would be part of Ireland, but instead it's part of Islington (well known sovereign nation).
Is it fact or fiction that a chap declared his house a nation state, the government said fine and posted border guards at his front gates and didn't let him out of his house as he didn't have a visa agreement with the UK?

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Let me refer you both to the documentary Passport to Pimlico https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5k31XtDGeg. Isn't The Peoples Republic of Islington a Nuclear Free Zone?

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Riff Raff said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
E24man said:
Oh dear, it appears he's getting poorly.
It's a tried and tested route!! The good old "Ernest Saunders exit".
Works for former Labour MP's too...........
And Libyan airline bombers.........

And British military system hackers. Ooops I meant harmless British UFO hunters........

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Friday 30th November 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
And Libyan airline bombers.........
Who bombed Libyan Airlines?

Tonsko

6,299 posts

215 months

Friday 30th November 2012
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jshell said:
Who bombed Libyan Airlines?
Heh! Quite.

Curtis has a good stab... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2012/10/hes_...

James P

2,957 posts

237 months

Friday 30th November 2012
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DonnyMac said:
Breadvan72 said:
Possessing a plot of land doesn't make it part of your home country. Otherwise, my house would be part of Ireland, but instead it's part of Islington (well known sovereign nation).
Is it fact or fiction that a chap declared his house a nation state, the government said fine and posted border guards at his front gates and didn't let him out of his house as he didn't have a visa agreement with the UK?
I thought it was an episode of Family Guy, Petoria?

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

182 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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So there are eight police officers and video surveillance cameras outside the embassy at any given time at a cost of over £10,000 a day. Is this really needed I wonder?


heraldsun.com.au said:
Scotland Yard has spent $5m to guard Assange at Ecuadorian embassy in London

THE cost of guarding Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has blown out to more than $5 million as he prepares to mark his first anniversary taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

The revelation comes as the Australian activist told Spanish media how he obtained new internal communications about himself from inside the British government's most sensitive intelligence communications agency, the GCHQ.

And those communications include chatter from staff, some of whom suspect the activist is being set up.

On May 30 last year, the British Supreme Court dismissed an appeal and ruled the 41-year-old should be extradited to Sweden to face accusations he sexually assaulted two women there.

But instead, the Australian fled to the embassy of Ecuador located in upmarket Kensington in London, seeking asylum on the grounds that the charges were a ruse to send him to the US where he faces claims of leaking more than 250,000 sensitive government cables.

Scotland Yard has revealed that since June 19, when he was formally granted asylum, it has cost more than $5.2 million to provide around-the-clock police guards around the embassy.

With extra security from time to time for demonstrations, the constant police presence costs about $19,000 a day.

There are about eight police officers and video surveillance cameras outside the embassy at any given time.

Assange, who denies the rape allegations, has vowed to remain in his bolt-hole for however long it takes for the Swedish and British governments to agree he will not be sent to the US.

Meanwhile, speaking to Spanish television at his diplomatic sanctuary, Assange has revealed that under the Data Protection Act he requested all communications about him from the GCHQ.

In one 2012 email, an officer wrote to a colleague: "They are trying to arrest him on suspicion of (XYZ) ... it is definitely a fit-up ... their timings are too convenient right after Cablegate".

Another says: "He reckons he will stay in the Ecuadorian embassy for six to 12 months where the charges against him will be dropped but that is not how it works now is it? Hes a fool - highly optimistic fool."

The GCHQ confirmed the non-classified emails but said no decisions were taken from the remarks from general staff.

"We have reminded staff of the importance of professional behaviour at all times," a spokesman said, reinforcing the emails Assange was entitled to receive under the Act were merely observations and not classified information.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/scotland-yard-has-spent-5m-to-guard-assange-at-ecuadorian-embassy-in-london/story-fni0xs61-1226651679864

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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It depends you deem getting a rape suspect worth doing? Whether he is guilty or not is not the issue really. Not sure why it costs that much for 8 officers a day, and a video camera.

WhereamI

6,887 posts

217 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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You also have to factor in the embarrassment factor if he managed to walk out of the door and get away. The Met have little choice but to camp on the doorstep and wait it out and if that costs money, then it costs money.

But how 8 policemen and a camera can cost £10,000 a day is a mystery.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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TheHeretic said:
It depends you deem getting a rape suspect worth doing? Whether he is guilty or not is not the issue really. Not sure why it costs that much for 8 officers a day, and a video camera.
then we get to the question, define rape.....

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Scuffers said:
then we get to the question, define rape.....
Well, that is for Sweden to worry about. They have an arrest warrant. Worrying about guilty, or not is down to trial in Sweden. I'm a fan of the whole wiki leaks thing, by the way, but the politics of that, with the rape allegation is not really a concern for UK authorities, they are merely acting on the warrant.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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TheHeretic said:
Scuffers said:
then we get to the question, define rape.....
Well, that is for Sweden to worry about. They have an arrest warrant. Worrying about guilty, or not is down to trial in Sweden. I'm a fan of the whole wiki leaks thing, by the way, but the politics of that, with the rape allegation is not really a concern for UK authorities, they are merely acting on the warrant.
don't disagree, however, cite another case where the UK have spent so much time and effort on it?

WhereamI

6,887 posts

217 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Scuffers said:
don't disagree, however, cite another case where the UK have spent so much time and effort on it?
There is no comparable case, people don't usually skip bail and hole up in another country's embassy, it is pretty much without precedence.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Scuffers said:
don't disagree, however, cite another case where the UK have spent so much time and effort on it?
I'm not sure they should just leave him to roam about. It is quite a unique case.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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TheHeretic said:
Scuffers said:
then we get to the question, define rape.....
Well, that is for Sweden to worry about. They have an arrest warrant. Worrying about guilty, or not is down to trial in Sweden. I'm a fan of the whole wiki leaks thing, by the way, but the politics of that, with the rape allegation is not really a concern for UK authorities, they are merely acting on the warrant.
Seeing as you pretty much get away with rape in Sweden, why waste a lot of resources on one guy who had consensual sex with two women?

There are some 18 rapes a day in Sweden, none of these have come anywhere close to this case in the spending of resources, why?


TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Finlandia said:
Seeing as you pretty much get away with rape in Sweden, why waste a lot of resources on one guy who had consensual sex with two women?

There are some 18 rapes a day in Sweden, none of these have come anywhere close to this case in the spending of resources, why?
You heard it here first, people. 18 rapes a day in Sweden, so why bother. confused

WhereamI

6,887 posts

217 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Finlandia said:
Seeing as you pretty much get away with rape in Sweden, why waste a lot of resources on one guy who had consensual sex with two women?

There are some 18 rapes a day in Sweden, none of these have come anywhere close to this case in the spending of resources, why?
From a UK perspective the rape is pretty irrelevant now. He's very publicly in breach of his bail conditions and there is an extradition order out for him, he won't be allowed to sit it out no matter how long it takes.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

244 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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WhereamI said:
From a UK perspective the rape is pretty irrelevant now. He's very publicly in breach of his bail conditions and there is an extradition order out for him, he won't be allowed to sit it out no matter how long it takes.
The above is the important point, the original charge is largely irrelevant, he can't be allowed to hole up in an embassy and wait it out.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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RYH64E said:
WhereamI said:
From a UK perspective the rape is pretty irrelevant now. He's very publicly in breach of his bail conditions and there is an extradition order out for him, he won't be allowed to sit it out no matter how long it takes.
The above is the important point, the original charge is largely irrelevant, he can't be allowed to hole up in an embassy and wait it out.
so, it's now a matter of principal that we are spending several millions a year on this then?

would it not be better to attempt to find a palatable solution to this to bring it to a close rather than being pig-headed about it and keep spending our tax money on something that actually really is SFA to do with us as a country....?