Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
Scuffers said:
So, it's now a matter of principle that we are spending several millions a year on this then?
Would it not be better to attempt to find a palatable solution to this to bring it to a close rather than being pig-headed about it and keep spending our tax money on something that actually really is SFA to do with us as a country....?
How do you know that they're not trying to find a solution? In any case, he can't be seen to flout the law, in such a public manner, with impunity.Would it not be better to attempt to find a palatable solution to this to bring it to a close rather than being pig-headed about it and keep spending our tax money on something that actually really is SFA to do with us as a country....?
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
WhereamI said:
From a UK perspective the rape is pretty irrelevant now. He's very publicly in breach of his bail conditions and there is an extradition order out for him, he won't be allowed to sit it out no matter how long it takes.
The above is the important point, the original charge is largely irrelevant, he can't be allowed to hole up in an embassy and wait it out.would it not be better to attempt to find a palatable solution to this to bring it to a close rather than being pig-headed about it and keep spending our tax money on something that actually really is SFA to do with us as a country....?
And for those who question the legal system I ask, if the Government was able to influence the process in some way why aren't they able to do it in other cases? Abu Qatada is the obvious one, but that's far from the only case where the courts don't rule the way the Government wants.
TheHeretic said:
Finlandia said:
Seeing as you pretty much get away with rape in Sweden, why waste a lot of resources on one guy who had consensual sex with two women?
There are some 18 rapes a day in Sweden, none of these have come anywhere close to this case in the spending of resources, why?
You heard it here first, people. 18 rapes a day in Sweden, so why bother. There are some 18 rapes a day in Sweden, none of these have come anywhere close to this case in the spending of resources, why?
As I've said previously in this thread, JA is probably arrogant in his own ways and may deserve what he has coming, but to think that this is all about a rape case is just naïve.
Finlandia said:
A few days ago three guys were freed by the court for raping a 16 year old girl with a bottle, the court decided that she may have held her legs tightly together and told them to stop just because she was shy.
As I've said previously in this thread, JA is probably arrogant in his own ways and may deserve what he has coming, but to think that this is all about a rape case is just naïve.
As I have said, that is not for the UK authorities to decide. As I've said previously in this thread, JA is probably arrogant in his own ways and may deserve what he has coming, but to think that this is all about a rape case is just naïve.
Finlandia said:
Think about it though, it doesn't make any sense at all. This is not about a rape case, there are far worse and more public cases left stone cold.
Contempt of court can be considered a minor offence if the original charge is taken into account, but it is punished very harshly because it is a threat to the legal process. It's the same here, the original charge is irrelevant, Assange is blatantly defying the will of the courts by evasion not through use of the legal process, so can't be seen to succeed.Finlandia said:
Think about it though, it doesn't make any sense at all. This is not about a rape case, there are far worse and more public cases left stone cold.
There are no more public cases than this one, at least not on the international stage. As such the logical thing for the Swedes to do is what they are trying to do, extradite him, put him on trial and let the court decide.If there is no case to answer he should be acquitted, but it is - and should be - up to the court to decide.
RYH64E said:
Finlandia said:
Think about it though, it doesn't make any sense at all. This is not about a rape case, there are far worse and more public cases left stone cold.
Contempt of court can be considered a minor offence if the original charge is taken into account, but it is punished very harshly because it is a threat to the legal process. It's the same here, the original charge is irrelevant, Assange is blatantly defying the will of the courts by evasion not through use of the legal process, so can't be seen to succeed.Finlandia said:
Swedish prosecution could travel to the embassy to interview him there, or Swedish authorities could grant him a non-extradition. There are other options available as well.
If he is not willing to go to Sweden for prosecution, and accept that, why would he accept an interview in the embassy? Surely if he doesn't agree with their decision, he will just remain there?Non-extradition... So how would 'justice' be served in that case? Run away, and get away with a trial?
What other options? Either you go and have the trial, or you run. If you run, the authorities will seek you out.
WhereamI said:
Scuffers said:
he's not a British citizen, he does not live here, he has almost no connection to the UK, yet we are paying for this farce..
It's our legal system that he is defying.there are literately thousands that do on a daily basis, yet we don't spend £19K a day standing around watching them do we?
How many 'nobody available' situations do the met have every day with 8 officers tied up?
TheHeretic said:
Finlandia said:
Swedish prosecution could travel to the embassy to interview him there, or Swedish authorities could grant him a non-extradition. There are other options available as well.
If he is not willing to go to Sweden for prosecution, and accept that, why would he accept an interview in the embassy? Surely if he doesn't agree with their decision, he will just remain there?Non-extradition... So how would 'justice' be served in that case? Run away, and get away with a trial?
What other options? Either you go and have the trial, or you run. If you run, the authorities will seek you out.
Finlandia said:
He has welcomed the prosecutor to interview him in the embassy, and been declined. Non-extradition, as the ex Cuban/US spy who is now married to a Swede, and granted non-extradition to the US on grounds of being a Swedish citizen. Which brings us to another option, give JA Swedish citizenship, guaranteed non-extradition and plenty of good press for Swedish neutrality and openness to let the founder of WL in and to continue his work for a free world.
And why would they go to an Embassy? If he had any intention of facing his accusers he would have done so. That is all by the by as I have already said. The UK is simply doing it's part with regards to an extradition order. Being the wiki leaks chap has no part in whether that should be completed, or not. The authorities are not going to just say "oh well, it's only extradition for rape, so we might as well leave him to it, after all, he will then be able to continue his good work" are they?Come on. He either face his accusers or runs. He chose to run. The authorities will therefore seek him out for extradition.
It ain't rocket science.
TheHeretic said:
And why would they go to an Embassy? If he had any intention of facing his accusers he would have done so. That is all by the by as I have already said. The UK is simply doing it's part with regards to an extradition order. Being the wiki leaks chap has no part in whether that should be completed, or not. The authorities are not going to just say "oh well, it's only extradition for rape, so we might as well leave him to it, after all, he will then be able to continue his good work" are they?
Come on. He either face his accusers or runs. He chose to run. The authorities will therefore seek him out for extradition.
It ain't rocket science.
Why wouldn't they go? Interviews have been held outside of Sweden before. The extradition from UK to Sweden is one thing, it's the possible/likely extradition from Sweden to US that is the worry for JA.Come on. He either face his accusers or runs. He chose to run. The authorities will therefore seek him out for extradition.
It ain't rocket science.
He also made himself available for interviews while still in Sweden, he notified authorities when he left, plenty of time to interview him but nothing was done because it wasn't even seen as a rape case to start with, not even by the girls he allegedly raped.
He has stated that a reassurance for no further extradition will see him come to Sweden. Why not give him that?
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