Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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Finlandia said:
Why wouldn't they go? Interviews have been held outside of Sweden before. The extradition from UK to Sweden is one thing, it's the possible/likely extradition from Sweden to US that is the worry for JA.
He also made himself available for interviews while still in Sweden, he notified authorities when he left, plenty of time to interview him but nothing was done because it wasn't even seen as a rape case to start with, not even by the girls he allegedly raped.
He has stated that a reassurance for no further extradition will see him come to Sweden. Why not give him that?
They may have interviewed outside Sweden before. Have they done it for a guy who has run away into an embassy before? He also made himself available for interviews while still in Sweden, he notified authorities when he left, plenty of time to interview him but nothing was done because it wasn't even seen as a rape case to start with, not even by the girls he allegedly raped.
He has stated that a reassurance for no further extradition will see him come to Sweden. Why not give him that?
Sweden can give him that all they want, that is of no concern to the UK authorities though.
TheHeretic said:
They may have interviewed outside Sweden before. Have they done it for a guy who has run away into an embassy before?
Sweden can give him that all they want, that is of no concern to the UK authorities though.
Not sure about the embassy bit, definitely outside of Sweden before though. Reading on the Swedish prosecutions webpage, embassy interviews are possible, so why not do that? Or why not grant him a non-extradition to the US, after all they grant ex spies for Cuba that right.Sweden can give him that all they want, that is of no concern to the UK authorities though.
Seems to me that Sweden is pissing away UK tax money.
Finlandia said:
it's the possible/likely extradition from Sweden to US that is the worry for JA.
He's scared s
tless of ending up in a Swedish jail. The chances of extradition to the US are minimal, there aren't even any charges against him in the US. What scares him is that he's going to end up in a cell with a big bloke called Sven as a convicted sex offender.Finlandia said:
He has stated that a reassurance for no further extradition will see him come to Sweden. Why not give him that?
Because Governments in democratic countries are not above the law. A Government can't issue such a reassurance.Edited by WhereamI on Monday 27th May 19:39
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
it's the possible/likely extradition from Sweden to US that is the worry for JA.
He's scared stless of ending up in a Swedish jail. The chances of extradition to the US are minimal, there aren't even any charges against him in the US. What scares him is that he's going to end up in a cell with a big bloke called Sven as a convicted sex offender.Finlandia said:
He has stated that a reassurance for no further extradition will see him come to Sweden. Why not give him that?
Because Governments in democratic countries are not above the law. A Government can't issue such a reassurance.Edited by WhereamI on Monday 27th May 19:39
Strange that the authorities have granted non-extradition to quite a few then, not only to US but Africa and Middle East as well.
Finlandia said:
It's likely that he wouldn't end up in jail for what he has done, see the case with the 16 year old girl above, or see pretty much any rape case where no assault has taken place.
Then he ought to give himself up and get it sorted. Of course he faceds up to 12 months in prison for jumping bail here now.Finlandia said:
Strange that the authorities have granted non-extradition to quite a few then, not only to US but Africa and Middle East as well.
I don't know what cases you are quoting but there is no legal basis for making such a guarantee.WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
It's likely that he wouldn't end up in jail for what he has done, see the case with the 16 year old girl above, or see pretty much any rape case where no assault has taken place.
Then he ought to give himself up and get it sorted. Of course he faceds up to 12 months in prison for jumping bail here now.Finlandia said:
Strange that the authorities have granted non-extradition to quite a few then, not only to US but Africa and Middle East as well.
I don't know what cases you are quoting but there is no legal basis for making such a guarantee.There are quite a few cases, lastly the US lady who was a spy for Cuba and is now a resident of Sweden, plenty of people having had political asylum in Sweden for fear of torture and inhumane treatment in their home country or country of crime.
Finlandia said:
He won't for fear of being shipped to the US.
A fear that is unjustifiedFinlandia said:
There are quite a few cases, lastly the US lady who was a spy for Cuba and is now a resident of Sweden, plenty of people having had political asylum in Sweden for fear of torture and inhumane treatment in their home country or country of crime.
Not the same situation at all, but the first one is evidence that Sweden doesn't just extradite anyone the US wants.To be extradited you first have the be charged with something, which he hasn't been in the US. It needs to be something that would be an offence in the country that he was being extradited from, which could be a challenge given swedens media laws.
Of course we should remember that he was in Sweden in the first place because he thought it was the country from which he was least likely to be extradited to the US. It was only when they wanted him for rape that suddenly they became the country that he thought would extradite him.
Edited by WhereamI on Monday 27th May 20:18
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
He won't for fear of being shipped to the US.
A fear that is unjustifiedFinlandia said:
There are quite a few cases, lastly the US lady who was a spy for Cuba and is now a resident of Sweden, plenty of people having had political asylum in Sweden for fear of torture and inhumane treatment in their home country or country of crime.
Not the same situation at all, but the first one is evidence that Sweden doesn't just extradite anyone the US wants.To be extradited you first have the be charged with something, which he hasn't been in the US. It needs to be something that would be an offence in the country that he was being extradited from, which could be a challenge given swedens media laws.
Of course we should remember that he was in Sweden in the first place because he thought it was the country from which he was least likely to be extradited to the US. It was only when they wanted him for rape that suddenly they became the country that he thought would extradite him.
Edited by WhereamI on Monday 27th May 20:18
CoolHands said:
if he got found guilty what would be his likely sentence? (in sweden) At this rate he might as well be locked up in sweden as in england, surely? 
Doubt he would get jail, but if, then a few months probably. There are far worse rapists in Sweden who are not in jail.JDRoest said:
Then he obviously feels he has nothing to hide - so why doesn't he fk off the Sweden and tell them in person......
Because of fear of extradition...k off the Sweden and tell them in person......Finlandia said:
Not unjustified at all, at least not in his opinion, and it can be debated whether or not he is right.
At the end of the day you either believe that he is some oppressed fighter for freedom of speech or you think he's as despicable little tosser who deserves everything he gets.I'm in the latter camp, nothing to do with wiki leaks and everything to do with the fact that he skipped bail that others had put up and came up with a load of nonsense to try and justify it.
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
Not unjustified at all, at least not in his opinion, and it can be debated whether or not he is right.
At the end of the day you either believe that he is some oppressed fighter for freedom of speech or you think he's as despicable little tosser who deserves everything he gets.I'm in the latter camp, nothing to do with wiki leaks and everything to do with the fact that he skipped bail that others had put up and came up with a load of nonsense to try and justify it.
Finlandia said:
Or then it depends on how much you trust the political and justice system. As I've said, I don't really care what happens, but this is not just another rape case in Sweden.
Of course it isn't, it's a rape case under the spotlight with the world looking to see what happens.WhereamI said:
Scuffers said:
he's not a British citizen, he does not live here, he has almost no connection to the UK, yet we are paying for this farce..
It's our legal system that he is defying.ker and let someone else sort it all out... What could possibly go wrong?Finlandia said:
Or then it depends on how much you trust the political and justice system. As I've said, I don't really care what happens, but this is not just another rape case in Sweden.
Can you provide any proof of this, or are you just going to trot out the same old conspiracy theory bks until we all give in through sheer boredom?WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
It wasn't even a rape case to start with, the girls didn't want to push for rape, then it got political, and now it's a mess.
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