Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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No one said it was, but that's not the issue. We are discussing the theory that the Swedish allegations are simply a device to allow Assange to be sent to the US. That theory is, I suggest, incoherent.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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You can believe in a convoluted and implausible multi step conspiracy, or you could be really radical and daring and suggest that some prosecutors might genuinely take the view that Assange might, not must, but might have a case to answer. He might be innocent. Sweden is not known for a hideously unfair legal system, and if anything is too soft on sex crimes. Those of us with a cynical world view that does not embrace fantastical theories might wonder why Assange doesn't just face up to the legal process. The English Courts gave him a fair hearing. He lost his challenge. Maybe time to acquire a spine?

Murph7355

37,683 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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scherzkeks said:
We understood you just fine. Why don't get in touch with Assange? I'm sure he'd be interested in learning how being taken into custody is in his best interest.
If he raped someone, I doubt very much being taken to trial where that was alleged to have been committed would be in his best interests.

His behaviour just makes me wonder which crimes he's genuinely fearful of being found guilty of...

As for him not being an idiot, his whole approach to life doesn't make me think he's a genius.

E24man

6,698 posts

179 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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I always remember Assange denouncing the press for revealing where his on-bail bolt hole was - hypocrisy of the very, very highest order.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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Murph7355 said:
If he raped someone, I doubt very much being taken to trial where that was alleged to have been committed would be in his best interests.
Just to clarify, it's not a rape at knifepoint he is being accused of. JA stayed at one of the victims and had sex with her while he was visiting Sweden, but he also had sex with another woman, after finding out both women demanded him to test for STDs, after that it was treated as a rape case.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

215 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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Wasn't it to do with not wearing a condom, specifically?

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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Tonsko said:
Wasn't it to do with not wearing a condom, specifically?
I believe it was yes.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

244 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Those of us with a cynical world view that does not embrace fantastical theories might wonder why Assange doesn't just face up to the legal process.
Had he done that in the first place he wouldn't have had to spend an additional 2 years locked up in the Ecuador Embassy. Whatever sentence he gets (if any) is now +2 years for being a muppet, he's never getting those years back.

Murph7355

37,683 posts

256 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Finlandia said:
I believe it was yes.
Then he needed to be more careful.

He needs to MTFU and get it over with.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Assange went to Sweden and applied to stay there because he felt he wasn't likely to be extradited from there to the USA.

He wasn't likely because he would only be extradited if what he was accused of was viewed as a crime in Sweden which is unlikely.

It only became a country he didn't want to be in when he was wanted by the police there. Up to that point he was doing what he could to get permission to stay there.

Murph7355

37,683 posts

256 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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HenryJM said:
Assange went to Sweden and applied to stay there because he felt he wasn't likely to be extradited from there to the USA.

He wasn't likely because he would only be extradited if what he was accused of was viewed as a crime in Sweden which is unlikely.

It only became a country he didn't want to be in when he was wanted by the police there. Up to that point he was doing what he could to get permission to stay there.
Indeed. The bloke seems like a weasel.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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I support open government, deplore undue secrecy, and think that Wikileaks has done some good public service, but Assange the man seems to have feet of clay, and may not be the Warrior of Principle that his fans believe him to be.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Murph7355 said:
Finlandia said:
I believe it was yes.
Then he needed to be more careful.

He needs to MTFU and get it over with.
The problem arose when the two women found out he had been with them both, presumably unprotected, which is silly of course.

When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Finlandia said:
When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.
Perhaps because they don't want to set a precedent that leaving the country lets someone get away with whatever it was they were accused of.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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HenryJM said:
Finlandia said:
When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.
Perhaps because they don't want to set a precedent that leaving the country lets someone get away with whatever it was they were accused of.
That has already been set, and they got away. So why chase JA when not much chasing has been done for far worse crimes?

HenryJM

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Finlandia said:
HenryJM said:
Finlandia said:
When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.
Perhaps because they don't want to set a precedent that leaving the country lets someone get away with whatever it was they were accused of.
That has already been set, and they got away. So why chase JA when not much chasing has been done for far worse crimes?
Maybe because it is high profile and they don't want him to be seen to get away?

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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HenryJM said:
Finlandia said:
HenryJM said:
Finlandia said:
When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.
Perhaps because they don't want to set a precedent that leaving the country lets someone get away with whatever it was they were accused of.
That has already been set, and they got away. So why chase JA when not much chasing has been done for far worse crimes?
Maybe because it is high profile and they don't want him to be seen to get away?
Possibly, but there are arguably higher profile offenders who have gotten away and not been chased even half as much, the spy who walked out the backdoor springs to mind, or the leader of the much feared original gangsters.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

134 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Finlandia said:
When one reflects on the very laid back view on rape in the Swedish justice system (see my previous posts), one does wonder why JA is being chased so adamantly.
I think anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together can come up with a few ideas. hehe

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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There you go again. Because you think you can identify motive, you disregard means. But motive gets you nowhere without viable means.

AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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Foppo said:
The rape charge is a set up in my opinion always has been.The Americans want him for treason.Bizarre case.
How can they want him for treason? He's not American.

ajl.