Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
If it is seriously being suggested that the Supreme Court was nobbled by pols to nab Assange, I think that I may hear the rustle of tinfoil.
Does that mean you believe the courts are not influenced by political pressure or that Assange is too unimportant to mater ..?kitz said:
Breadvan72 said:
If it is seriously being suggested that the Supreme Court was nobbled by pols to nab Assange, I think that I may hear the rustle of tinfoil.
Does that mean you believe the courts are not influenced by political pressure or that Assange is too unimportant to mater ..?Breadvan72 said:
The courts are independent of the Executive. If you ssuggest otherwise, please provide evidence to make good your assertion.
Yeah but you work for the system BV, they tell you to say that, you're in on it. I bet you perpetuate that ball earth horses
t too, huh? You can't pull the wool over our eyes!Breadvan72 said:
The courts are independent of the Executive. If you ssuggest otherwise, please provide evidence to make good your assertion.
What comedy. There is corruption everywhere. Let's swtich gears and talk about our favorite Wikileaks videos. Mine is the one where US soldiers gun down reporters and innocents from a circling helicopter, while laughing.
It's easy to make sweeping assertions, but as soon as those who make such assertions are asked to back them up with evidence, things tend to go quiet. Or you get a wave of the hand and "oh, everyone knows that X is true". Again, mere assertion. No political system or legal system is flawless, and there are indeed often subtle and sometimes less subtle influences at play in various elements of such systems, but a suggestion that the Assange case was fixed by political influence calls for some specifics to back it up.
Breadvan72 said:
It's easy to make sweeping assertions, but as soon as those who make such assertions are asked to back them up with evidence, things tend to go quiet. Or you get a wave of the hand and "oh, everyone knows that X is true". Again, mere assertion. No political system or legal system is flawless, and there are indeed often subtle and sometimes less subtle influences at play in various elements of such systems, but a suggestion that the Assange case was fixed by political influence calls for some specifics to back it up.
Those specifics have been discussed to death. He is a smart individual, and may just get out of all this.
Europa1 said:
I am struggling as to where the "arbitrary detention" bit comes in - as I recall he was on bail, living in quite a nice house, he voluntarily skipped bail and voluntarily pitched up at the Ecuadorian Embassy.
I also don't get this.Hopefully our government won't fold as a result of his antics.
(Though frankly, if he thinks he'll be safe in Ecuador I seriously doubt it. When you visit there it couldn't look more like a kidnap centre if it tried!).
scherzkeks said:
Breadvan72 said:
It's easy to make sweeping assertions, but as soon as those who make such assertions are asked to back them up with evidence, things tend to go quiet. Or you get a wave of the hand and "oh, everyone knows that X is true". Again, mere assertion. No political system or legal system is flawless, and there are indeed often subtle and sometimes less subtle influences at play in various elements of such systems, but a suggestion that the Assange case was fixed by political influence calls for some specifics to back it up.
Those specifics have been discussed to death. He is a smart individual, and may just get out of all this.That decision was a bit of a surprise to me.
So unlawful and arbitrary detention. I agree with the decision and see the government's argument, as reported, as derisory. He was detained in the embassy despite his freedom to leave. He would be arrested by the police so he was detained.
From what I understand, the decision came as something of a shock to Jules as well.
So unlawful and arbitrary detention. I agree with the decision and see the government's argument, as reported, as derisory. He was detained in the embassy despite his freedom to leave. He would be arrested by the police so he was detained.
From what I understand, the decision came as something of a shock to Jules as well.
Breadvan72 said:
So, just a wave of the hand, but, alas, your Jedi mind tricks don't work here. You are unable or, for some reason, unwilling to back up your assertions. This deprives your assertions of any weight.
I didn't make an assertion. His reasoning has been discussed to death. If Assange were an idiot, he'd walk out the front door of the embassy and let himself be arrested, just as you'd have him do. But he won't.
Now run along. Get your post count up to 24,000.
Sadly, I don't take orders from you! We are not presently talking about Assange's fatuous claims of a conspiracy to whisk him off to the US. You joined in the discussion of whether the UK judicial process in the Assange case has been compromised by political pressure, and appear to endorse the suggestion that it has been. If that is your contention, you are invited to support the contention by some credible evidence. If you don't join in that contention, that's fine, but all your airy hand waving isn't debate.
Derek Smith said:
That decision was a bit of a surprise to me.
So unlawful and arbitrary detention. I agree with the decision and see the government's argument, as reported, as derisory. He was detained in the embassy despite his freedom to leave. He would be arrested by the police so he was detained.
From what I understand, the decision came as something of a shock to Jules as well.
Derek, do I need to call for a parrot, or are you on some pretty amazing drugs? So unlawful and arbitrary detention. I agree with the decision and see the government's argument, as reported, as derisory. He was detained in the embassy despite his freedom to leave. He would be arrested by the police so he was detained.
From what I understand, the decision came as something of a shock to Jules as well.
If the latter, can you get me a connect?
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