Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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Are Assange's actions responsible for any deaths?
If so, charge him with murder, or accessory to such. To me, he is a man who has caused problems to the security of nations states, which includes, me and mine. The first duty of a national government is the security of its citizens.
Therefore, he is my enemy. No different to Snowden.
In the fullness of time, he will get his come uppance ,I look forward to it.
If so, charge him with murder, or accessory to such. To me, he is a man who has caused problems to the security of nations states, which includes, me and mine. The first duty of a national government is the security of its citizens.
Therefore, he is my enemy. No different to Snowden.
In the fullness of time, he will get his come uppance ,I look forward to it.
I think the problem is here is people seeing it as a black and white issue I'm no great support of assange he's obviously a bit of a narcissist and fancies himself however ignoring with you love him or hate him without the work that WikiLeaks did we would all still be in the dark about what are government's are doing on our so-called behalf bear in mind let's not forget we were the ones that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for questionable reasons so I'm prepared to cut the guy bit of slack when the Americans and our own government is trying to shut him up
Scuffers said:
I think the problem is here is people seeing it as a black and white issue I'm no great support of assange he's obviously a bit of a narcissist and fancies himself however ignoring with you love him or hate him without the work that WikiLeaks did we would all still be in the dark about what are government's are doing on our so-called behalf bear in mind let's not forget we were the ones that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for questionable reasons so I'm prepared to cut the guy bit of slack when the Americans and our own government is trying to shut him up
When it comes to our own security, its perhaps better we do not know whats afoot. Its how it is. People can put their own security at risk if they wish, but not me and mine.
Not good.
glazbagun said:
Is he not wanted for questioning? And has he not said he's happy to be questioned where he is but that he won't leave for fear of being bundled into a black car and sent to the US illegaly?
Strikes me so far that it's a case of state jobsworths vs one mans paranoia rather than him refusing to face the music.
You say that... Strikes me so far that it's a case of state jobsworths vs one mans paranoia rather than him refusing to face the music.
See a few pages back. He's changed his mind again and now says he will only be interviewed by Ecuadorian investigators. For allegations of an offence in Sweden. He really is some piece of work.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/01/21/assange...
glazbagun said:
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Kowtow? When did hubris like this ever matter in investigating crime?
"Sorry to hear you've been raped, love. Can't question your alleged rapist though, the rotter refuses to fly to this country and I'll be damned if I'll boost his ego and cost the state a few hundred quid by goingnto his place to investigate it. But, hey, I really care and getting justice for you is absolutely my priority here, honest."
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His hiding in an embassy is as legal as the extradition process, but rather than the state paying to send officers to question him you'd rather they paid to fly him to them after burning a few hundred thousand in legal fees?
Police go abroad in their investigations all the time. They could also publicly announce that they would not extradide him to the US over wikileaks, which would remove the obstacle of his defence just as Jordan officially agreed not to use evidence gained through torture.
I don't like the guy, but the way this thing has been handled has been farcical.
If a suspect in a serious crime hid abroad in a tin pot embassy I would see zero point in sending people over.Kowtow? When did hubris like this ever matter in investigating crime?
"Sorry to hear you've been raped, love. Can't question your alleged rapist though, the rotter refuses to fly to this country and I'll be damned if I'll boost his ego and cost the state a few hundred quid by goingnto his place to investigate it. But, hey, I really care and getting justice for you is absolutely my priority here, honest."
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His hiding in an embassy is as legal as the extradition process, but rather than the state paying to send officers to question him you'd rather they paid to fly him to them after burning a few hundred thousand in legal fees?
Police go abroad in their investigations all the time. They could also publicly announce that they would not extradide him to the US over wikileaks, which would remove the obstacle of his defence just as Jordan officially agreed not to use evidence gained through torture.
I don't like the guy, but the way this thing has been handled has been farcical.
Especially when the suspect has constantly moved the goal posts on what he is and is not prepared to do... the Swedish government have flexed. His demands are what are farcical.
He's an accused rapist with a warrant for his detention. He has chosen to hole up somewhere where he can't officially be touched, knowing that this prevents his detention by the people who want to question him over the allegations. And when they flex, he changes his mind so he doesn't have to answer the questions.
Time for my own tin hat, but those do not strike me as the actions of an honourable/innocent man.
I really couldn't give a toss about Wikileaks. I think it was an incredibly naive thing to set up and I don't think it's done a single bit of good for anyone to date - nothing has changed, nothing has been done about anything it released as far as I'm aware.
I think our government could potentially have handled it differently (ie at less cost - severe words with the Ecuadorian ambassador for one - even to the point of telling them to leave if that's how they're going to abuse their privileges). I think many matters of policing are handled poorly here at times. But as is often the case, we shouldn't move the blame too far away from the person at the centre of it.
Murph7355 said:
If a suspect in a serious crime hid abroad in a tin pot embassy I would see zero point in sending people over.
Especially when the suspect has constantly moved the goal posts on what he is and is not prepared to do... the Swedish government have flexed. His demands are what are farcical.
He's an accused rapist with a warrant for his detention. He has chosen to hole up somewhere where he can't officially be touched, knowing that this prevents his detention by the people who want to question him over the allegations. And when they flex, he changes his mind so he doesn't have to answer the questions.
Time for my own tin hat, but those do not strike me as the actions of an honourable/innocent man.
I really couldn't give a toss about Wikileaks. I think it was an incredibly naive thing to set up and I don't think it's done a single bit of good for anyone to date - nothing has changed, nothing has been done about anything it released as far as I'm aware.
I think our government could potentially have handled it differently (ie at less cost - severe words with the Ecuadorian ambassador for one - even to the point of telling them to leave if that's how they're going to abuse their privileges). I think many matters of policing are handled poorly here at times. But as is often the case, we shouldn't move the blame too far away from the person at the centre of it.
It is nothing to do with the leaks. There is an arrest warrant out to question him. That is all. He agreed at one time to be questioned. Especially when the suspect has constantly moved the goal posts on what he is and is not prepared to do... the Swedish government have flexed. His demands are what are farcical.
He's an accused rapist with a warrant for his detention. He has chosen to hole up somewhere where he can't officially be touched, knowing that this prevents his detention by the people who want to question him over the allegations. And when they flex, he changes his mind so he doesn't have to answer the questions.
Time for my own tin hat, but those do not strike me as the actions of an honourable/innocent man.
I really couldn't give a toss about Wikileaks. I think it was an incredibly naive thing to set up and I don't think it's done a single bit of good for anyone to date - nothing has changed, nothing has been done about anything it released as far as I'm aware.
I think our government could potentially have handled it differently (ie at less cost - severe words with the Ecuadorian ambassador for one - even to the point of telling them to leave if that's how they're going to abuse their privileges). I think many matters of policing are handled poorly here at times. But as is often the case, we shouldn't move the blame too far away from the person at the centre of it.
His current actions are immaterial. His character is immaterial. The process is everything.
I'm not aware of any England/Wales arrest warrant executed for the purposes of questioning a person who has agreed to be questioned in a foreign country. This does not smell of roses. If there was a charge outstanding then it would be a different matter.
Look up the circumstances of the two assaults. If you want odd behaviour, then it is there in those of his accusers.
If what has been reported is correct, then I could not see it being run in this country. Unless it was for a political motive of course.
Rovinghawk said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Rape is no joke.
This presumes guilt, when even the prosecutor said there was no real case for it. A bit naughty of you.Alleged sexual molestation is no joke, however.
We have had known foreign murderers come to the UK to avoid arrest in their own countries, who have then gone on to commit further murders here, who have not been subject to what has happened to Assange, which is why I feel we are not being told the whole story in this particular case.
Derek Smith said:
It is nothing to do with the leaks.
I am fully aware of this. Hence me implying his escapades there have nothing to do with my views on this case 
Derek Smith said:
He agreed at one time to be questioned.
His current actions are immaterial. His character is immaterial. The process is everything.
His actions include whether he will or won't be questioned on the accusations, hiding in an embassy, whinging about his treatment etc. So I think they're very material. His character is what is forcing the situation, so ditto.His current actions are immaterial. His character is immaterial. The process is everything.
Derek Smith said:
I'm not aware of any England/Wales arrest warrant executed for the purposes of questioning a person who has agreed to be questioned in a foreign country....If there was a charge outstanding then it would be a different matter.
Am not wholly sure of the relevance of this...surely the be all and end all is that there is a warrant for him and our country cooperates on such things with Sweden?Derek Smith said:
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If what has been reported is correct, then I could not see it being run in this country. Unless it was for a political motive of course.
That's also irrelevant isn't it? A court agreed that he should be extradited I believe. As you often note, they probably had access to more info than we do.If what has been reported is correct, then I could not see it being run in this country. Unless it was for a political motive of course.
However, you have a daughter. I doubt you'd be happy if he did what he is alleged to have done to her. I don't know if it's a crime in this country (I believe he agreed to use protection and didn't...?) but a good part of me thinks it ought to be. Either way, irrelevant again as a court noted he should be sent to Sweden (not the US or any arguably worse country).
Proper piece at CP:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/05/freeing-jul...
"The prospect of a similar fate has hung over Assange like a Damocles sword. According to documents released by Edward Snowden, Assange is on a “Manhunt target list”. Vice-President Joe Biden has called him a “cyber terrorist”. In Alexandra, Virginia, a secret grand jury has attempted to concoct a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted in a court. Even though he is not an American, he is currently being fitted up with an espionage law dredged up from a century ago when it was used to silence conscientious objectors during the First World War; the Espionage Act has provisions of both life imprisonment and the death penalty."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/05/freeing-jul...
"The prospect of a similar fate has hung over Assange like a Damocles sword. According to documents released by Edward Snowden, Assange is on a “Manhunt target list”. Vice-President Joe Biden has called him a “cyber terrorist”. In Alexandra, Virginia, a secret grand jury has attempted to concoct a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted in a court. Even though he is not an American, he is currently being fitted up with an espionage law dredged up from a century ago when it was used to silence conscientious objectors during the First World War; the Espionage Act has provisions of both life imprisonment and the death penalty."
Halb said:
Derek Smith said:
If what has been reported is correct, then I could not see it being run in this country. Unless it was for a political motive of course.
Political move? You've turned into a crazzee conspiracy theorist, Derek, crazzeee, drank the kooolaid...etc. 
But the circumstances, agreed by all sides, of the allegations are such that they would be unlikely to be run in England/Wales.
Derek Smith said:
Halb said:
Derek Smith said:
If what has been reported is correct, then I could not see it being run in this country. Unless it was for a political motive of course.
Political move? You've turned into a crazzee conspiracy theorist, Derek, crazzeee, drank the kooolaid...etc. But the circumstances, agreed by all sides, of the allegations are such that they would be unlikely to be run in England/Wales.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37680411
I usually check for the nearest BT van when my broadband goes down.
I usually check for the nearest BT van when my broadband goes down.
tter. 
His latest claims are text book misdirection probably from this
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=ca...
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=ca...
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Tuesday 18th October 09:22
Borghetto said:
So he is now being accused by a Bahamian Dating site for child grooming. As no date of offence was mentioned, did this alleged activity happen whilst a guest at the Ecuadorian Embassy? The plot thickens.
Interesting that the dating site alleges Wikileaks was threatening to attack them and harm their business, should they proceed with this legal claim..Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff